Re: The Reason for failing?

That's amazing. Total props out to Petr for that effort. So there's two of
us, glad I'm not alone. :)

On 6/12/09 5:31 PM, "Brian McGahan" <bmcgahan_at_internetworkexpert.com> wrote:

> Petr Lapukhov is 4 for 4 in R&S, Security, Service Provider, and
> Voice. I think his goal in life is to make the rest of us look bad ;)
>
> Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
> bmcgahan_at_INE.com
>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.INE.com
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> On Jun 12, 2009, at 7:09 PM, Jared Scrivener <jscrivener_at_ipexpert.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This is getting silly. Every vendor has students who pass on the
>> first attempt, some on the second and some on the third. If the
>> first attempt is so important, I'm keen to know if any other
>> instructors have passed all their labs first go. Anyone? If not, it
>> seems like that should be my new marketing angle. That said, I
>> wouldn't have done it every time without IPexpert, that much I'm
>> sure of.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jared Scrivener CCIE #16983
>>
>> On Jun 12, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I like to congratulate 2 of my students that passed the exam on
>>> their first
>>> attempt, these guys were in my Poland boot camp 5 months ago and
>>> they also
>>> repeated my boot camp three weeks ago as per my recommendation. They
>>> followed my recommendations, and the end result is that they passed
>>> the lab.
>>> I believe you need to dig through each protocol, one at a time, and
>>> once you
>>> examine the hairs within that protocol, and you are able to answer
>>> all of
>>> YOUR questions, then, you are ready.
>>>
>>> Once again congratulations to:
>>>
>>> Dominick Nowicki 24543
>>> Mariusz Trojanowski 24551
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Andrew Bruce Caslow <
>>> abcaslow_at_netmasterclass.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Sameer,
>>>>
>>>> Along with mastering the inner-workings and behavior of specific
>>>> protocols,
>>>> what we have seen over the years is: successful CCIE candidates
>>>> must also
>>>> formulate a highly structured problem-solving AND verification
>>>> approach.
>>>>
>>>> To get CCIE candidates in the correct frame of mind for starting
>>>> the long
>>>> journey of preparing for the CCIE lab, we begin the entire process
>>>> by
>>>> making
>>>> this assertion that implicitly stressly the need for creating a
>>>> structured
>>>> problem solving approach:
>>>>
>>>> "CCIE candidates, we are going to prepare you to fulfill 'minimally
>>>> described' configuration and troubleshooting tasks".
>>>>
>>>> We feel that this statement captures the essence of CCIE level
>>>> problems:
>>>> they are configuration and/or troubleshooting tasks that are
>>>> "minimally
>>>> described" BUT they might contain explicitly described restrictions.
>>>> Regardless of how minimally described a CCIE level configuration
>>>> task is, a
>>>> CCIE candidate should be able to solve the task. They should know
>>>> what to
>>>> look for and know what questions to ask.
>>>>
>>>> In the Cisco 360 program, the problem solving approach we
>>>> recommend for
>>>> these "minimally described" types of problems is called "issue
>>>> spotting and
>>>> options analysis". Also, due to the strong influence of Bob
>>>> Sinclair one of
>>>> our Cisco 360 master instructors and lead content developers, heavy
>>>> emphasis
>>>> is placed on verification of a task, even more so than on the
>>>> configuration
>>>> of the task itself.
>>>>
>>>> By using a consistent problem solving and learning approach, CCIE
>>>> candidates
>>>> can use the same approach for each new protocol and technology
>>>> they learn.
>>>> While the technical topics may change, the problem solving and
>>>> learning
>>>> approach remains constant.
>>>>
>>>> This is why we say the CCIE lab is as much about measuring the
>>>> mastery of
>>>> protocols and technologies as it is about validating one's problem
>>>> solving
>>>> and analysis skills.
>>>>
>>>> To get a better understanding of this, check out some of the Cisco
>>>> 360
>>>> Video
>>>> on Demand Lesson Modules. In particular, check out the Link-Layer
>>>> (7 hours
>>>> of Video), IGP (6 hours) or BGP Lesson Modules (7 hours). Not only
>>>> do these
>>>> modules cover the stated technology, they apply the consistent
>>>> "issue
>>>> spotting and options analysis" problem solving approach. They are
>>>> also
>>>> bundled with Spot the Issues quizzes and hands-on technology
>>>> focused labs.
>>>> As the VoD presenter talks, you can watch him configure and verify
>>>> the
>>>> specific technologies at an actual router or switch prompt as if
>>>> you were
>>>> looking over his shoulder while he was typing. It is a very
>>>> effective
>>>> presentation style.
>>>>
>>>> The presenter in each of the Video-on-Demand sessions mentioned
>>>> above is
>>>> none other than Mr. Anthony Sequiera, now of InternetworkExperts.
>>>> Anthony
>>>> did a great job presenting this content. I really enjoyed working
>>>> with him
>>>> on this project. Thanks Anthony!!! You deserve an Academy Award
>>>> for your
>>>> performance! : )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> HTH,
>>>>
>>>> -Bruce Caslow CCIE #3139
>>>> Cisco 360 Master Instructor
>>>> NetMasterClass, LLC
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> sameer khan
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 11:03 AM
>>>> To: narbikk; marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com
>>>> Cc: asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com; groupstudy
>>>> Subject: RE: The Reason for failing?
>>>>
>>>> every one who is preparing for CCIE exam already know ( i am
>>>> guessing) the
>>>> fact that knowing the inner work or behavior of protocols are
>>>> essential key
>>>> to
>>>> passing, then why people not concentrate on that if that is the
>>>> reason.
>>>>
>>>> as i have heard, your worst enemy will hide in the last place you
>>>> will ever
>>>> look, or in this case least expected topic :D
>>>>
>>>> and as with some of the stuff, there are no minor topics. :D
>>>>
>>>> Thanks all for answering
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> --c
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:45:30 -0700
>>>>> Subject: Re: The Reason for failing?
>>>>> From: narbikk_at_gmail.com
>>>>> To: marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com
>>>>> CC: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com; asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com;
>>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Scott 100 percent.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you should make number 10, WAS I READY FOR THE TEST?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Marc La Porte
>>>> <marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sameer,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I solely failed on underestimating the required knowledge and
>>>>>> know-how
>>>> on
>>>>>> the minor topics (QoS, Security, IP Services, Multicast, etc).
>>>>>> Other
>>>> than
>>>>>> that I was fine on the L2/L3 stuff, fine on time management (L2/
>>>>>> L3 done
>>>> by
>>>>>> lunch), and fine on the stress (came in the day before, relaxed
>>>>>> with a
>>>> nice
>>>>>> dinner, a non-Cisco book, a bath, an early night, and a good
>>>> breakfast).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I actually ended up not asking anything to the proctor, but
>>>>>> that's not
>>>> why
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> failed...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Marc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 16:18, sameer khan <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hi Anthony;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That really helpful, just a suggestion that if possible IE also
>>>>>>> if
>>>> can
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> .pdf format of the articles, that will be great to download or
>>>> printing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In regards to my question, i am trying to figure out why people
>>>>>>> fail,
>>>> so
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> concentrate from that perspective. As i am guessing is that
>>>>>>> mixing of
>>>>>>> technologies changes the expected behavior of the
>>>> protocol/configuration
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> thus making the matter confusing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If can one else please add there experiences of being
>>>>>>> unsuccessful, I
>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> greatful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CC: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>>>>> From: asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com
>>>>>>>> To: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: The Reason for failing?
>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:51:35 -0400
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Sameer!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here are some observations I documented about that question in
>>>>>>>> case
>>>>>>>> you have not seen these:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/2008/10/01/common-reasons-for-lab-exam-f>>>>
a
>>>> i
>>>>>>> lure/<
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/2008/10/01/common-reasons-for-lab-exam-f>>>>
a
>>>> i
>>>> %0Alure/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
>>>>>>>> http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/> <http://www.ine.com/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Test your Core Knowledge today!
>>>>>>>> Q: What is the primary source of RPF information used by PIM?
>>>>>>>> A: the unicast routing table
>>>>>>>> More Info:
>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc957916.aspx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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