Re: IEWB R/S Vol IV (troubleshooting)

Why do I feel like I'm watching one of those irritating ESPN Zone things
where someone has 30 seconds to recap some topic?

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Darby Weaver wrote:
> I thought Tony only loved me like this.
>
> :)
>
> Unless the policy changes with InternetworkExpert as Anthony suggested
> earlier today that it might be up for review.
>
> It is considered an "additional" product for the CCIE Lab.
>
> It is a part of the Lab going forward.
>
> The OEQ Product costed money too and it is a part of the CCIE Lab too.
>
> But we have to hear Keegan's well put forth concept:
>
> If we buy a TV - We bought the TV as a system and not as a bundle of
> components.
>
> If we buy a CCIE End-to-End Program, then we bought a system to get us
> from A to Z, that why the "End-to-End" portion was in there.
>
> Keegan has a very solid point if we all as careful consumers consider
> this.
>
> This means if Appletalk comes back - is it a new part of the lab since
> it might require new research and develpment too?
>
> Can a customer pass a lab with only about 55% of the materials needed
> to pass the lab these days?
>
> Because that's what it amounts too.
>
> Will IE offer a refund to those customers who already paid for the OEQ
> too?
>
> Where does the End-to-End Program start? And stop?
>
> If it stops at 55% of the lab - assuming some 21 points for OEQ and 24
> points for Troublshooting....
>
> How many people does this affect?
>
> How many will pass the lab on 55% of the materials needed to meet the
> stated goal?
>
> That's the question Keegan is asking Tony.
>
> Does less than 100% cut it as an "End-to-End" Certification Program?
>
> What are others doing?
>
> I don't think IPExpert is doing this.
>
> 360 - comes either bundled or a la carte so they protected themselves
> a bit.
>
> Narbik is bundling things by the looks of it.
>
> Hmm...
>
> Keegan's point is clear:
>
> InternetworkExpert CCIE End-to-End Program - Except for OEQ, Except
> for Troubleshooting, Except for what else?
>
> Right now people caught in flux only have about 55% of lab prep as it is.
>
> I'm going to quote Scott Morris:
>
> "Ouch! That's funny"
>
> Sorry guys had to...
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:58 PM, <Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com
> <mailto:Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com>> wrote:
>
> At the risk of starting one of those OT flame threads that
> everyone loves,
> this will probably be my last post here. The problem is obviously
> not the
> money, it's the line being drawn. To me it's like saying that
> multiple
> choice questions are supported because they've been doing that for
> years,
> but open-ended questions require an upgrade and an extra $100. I
> don't
> agree with it. It sounds like something that should be included
> because
> the overall aim is to prepare for the lab, not parts of it.
> Again, that's
> just my opinion. You don't have to agree with me.
> Keegan
>
>
>
>
> From:
> "Tony Varriale" <tvarriale_at_flamboyaninc.com
> <mailto:tvarriale_at_flamboyaninc.com>>
> To:
> "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>
> Date:
> 07/13/2009 04:40 PM
> Subject:
> RE: IEWB R/S Vol IV (troubleshooting)
> Sent by:
> nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
>
>
>
> I didn't ask if you could read.you're on this list so I assumed
> you could.
>
>
> Anyways, let's take the upcoming MPLS addition to v4.0. Think
> that should
> be part of the investment protection?
>
>
>
> I would say it should. It's an additional topic that fits under
> existing
> products.
>
>
>
> As a side note, take a look at the pricing on the troubleshooting.
> Based
> on
> the quality of the v5 stuff I wouldn't mind paying a little more. The
> book
> will probably be worth the price just to get another perspective
> from some
> top people in the industry.
>
>
>
> And if $150-200 is too much to continue and progress your ongoing
> education
> in the Cisco arena (for something you declare as required), you
> may want
> to
> look at other careers.
>
>
>
> tv
>
>
>
> From: Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com <mailto:Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com>
> [mailto:Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com <mailto:Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com>]
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:46 PM
> To: Tony Varriale
> Cc: 'Cisco certification'; nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
> Subject: RE: IEWB R/S Vol IV (troubleshooting)
>
>
>
> I can read. I think my assertion was that it shouldn't be
> considered a
> new
> product. I think that as the lab changes the updates that are
> necessary
> to
> train for the new portions of the lab should be included. They
> could have
> easily included a troubleshooting section in lab book three for
> example,
> but
> again that's just my opinion.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:
>
> "Tony Varriale" <tvarriale_at_flamboyaninc.com
> <mailto:tvarriale_at_flamboyaninc.com>>
>
>
> To:
>
> "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>
>
>
> Date:
>
> 07/13/2009 03:11 PM
>
>
> Subject:
>
> RE: IEWB R/S Vol IV (troubleshooting)
>
>
> Sent by:
>
> nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
>
>
>
> _____
>
>
>
>
> I haven't seen the recent marketing blast but if you understand their
> investment protection concept you already know it's not covered.
> It's a
> new
> product.
>
> That simple.
>
> tv
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com> [
> <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>>
> mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>] On
> Behalf Of
> ospfv2
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:44 PM
> To: Cisco certification
> Subject: IEWB R/S Vol IV (troubleshooting)
>
> Some of you migth already contact INE regarding R/S WB Vol IV
> troubleshooting, whether it is covered by "investment protection" or
> not.
>
> and the answer provided by sales team might turn you down.
>
> it's not covered, vol IV its a new brand product.
>
> i just feel like a dumb now
>
> maybe nextime i need a lawyer to help me understand the promotion hype
> before i buy, so i won't get fooled again
>
> cheers
>
>
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