Re: OT: When It is Done its Done - BAH!

Just a punter ;)

There is a different tack. Shipping products with walkthroughs. When I
bought IPexpert the configs came but the proctor guide was an extra expense
which I passed up. That said, I found researching the details of the
solutions I didn't understand first time quite a useful exercise really.
Then I got IWEB and my cup runneth over with the explanations that came with
the price. I'm shooting for v4 now as there are no Brussels slots so I will
be keeping an eye out on all Vendor offerings!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Lawson" <groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com>
To: "Anthony Sequeira" <asequeira_at_ine.com>
Cc: "Cisco certification" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: OT: When It is Done its Done - BAH!

> Anthony,
>
> Although I agree with you, somewhat - I also think that products
> should ship as "completed" products - and not positioned as "unfinished /
> more to come later" training solutions.
>
> Now, in the case where a blueprint changes (like they are now for 3
> tracks) - there, typically, (every since I have been in this business)
> are milestones / releases done to get content out to clients quicker (in
> chunks as they're completed) so studying is not interrupted due to lack
> of content - However - going back to my reasoning - I feel it's
> misleading for a training company to say "our products will NEVER be
> completed" - the "spin" should be probably positioned as "if we find a
> better way of explaining something, or add content to our FINISHED
> products, we will provide you with these new enhancents or revisions".
> (similar to a patch on the Windows OS).
>
> I think the slam or comments you're referring to have to do with the
> fact that "some vendors" will ship a product that's far from completed -
> and never complete it....and these vendors attempt to say, "come on, our
> products will NEVER be completed - and it's a good thing!"....our
> customers are not stupid - and what really annoys me (and MANY, MANY
> others) is when vendors attempt to put a marketing and sales spin on
> their negative attributes or weaknesses....
>
> Regards,
>
> Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
> Founder, President & CEO:
> - IPexpert, Inc.
> - Proctor Labs, Inc.
> - Platinum Solutions Group, LLC.
> Mailto: wlawson_at_ipexpert.com
> Mobile: +1.810.334.1564
>
> :: Message sent from iPhone.
>
> On Jul 14, 2009, at 8:48 AM, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com> wrote:
>
>> I saw a statement recently on GS that really shocked me. It was the fact
>> that once a CCIE prep product is done, it is done. An exception was made
>> I believe for things like typo corrections.
>>
>> Myself, and the other trainers here at INE, could not disagree with this
>> more. One of the most exciting things about electronic (Internet-based)
>> distribution of training content is the ability to maintain "freshness"
>> and relevance of this material.
>>
>> Back when I was at the revolutionary, online training outfit
>> KnowledgeNet, we loved to promote the frequent update of our Cisco
>> content. The only problem was, with such an obscene number of titles,
>> the only real updates were when Cisco decided to update their Official
>> Curriculum. Sadly, KnowledgeNet was not "grey market". :-)
>>
>> At INE, we have embraced the concept of content freshness, and plan on
>> updating most, if not all, content areas as needed. For example, while I
>> just finished postings for the Self Paced CCIE R/S Written product, I
>> already have plans for two additional interactive exercises on BGP that
>> students have indirectly requested. While I did not deem these exercises
>> needed for passing the written on my first pass, if it can help students
>> master BGP, that is good enough for me!
>>
>> Well, as a learner on GroupStudy since 2004, I appreciate your patience
>> regarding this OT post. Please unicast all hate mail to asequeira_at_ine.com
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Warmest Regards,
>>
>> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
>> http://www.INE.com
>>
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