RE: Failed Again!!!

To me the 5.6 Million may be pocket change for a company that has
billions in sales every year. It is a lot for an individual but for a
company the size of Cisco it is a drop in the hat.

Cisco says they change the test to meet industry needs. An example is
the new troubleshooting section. I read somewhere when it first was
announced that they did that based on what they learned from those who
are already CCIE's. If that is true then maybe the CCIE's that are
already out there would have the better shot at having the OEQ disappear
one day.

Look at it this way. Right now you fail the test just on the OEQ's.
Cisco may be caulking it up as that they may have caught a possible
brain dump user and that the OEQ are doing their job. Cisco has no way
of knowing if that is the case or not. What are the odds of really
judging the knowledge of any person on 4 questions? Now assume you went
to a bootcamp. Who in their right mind would even consider reading a
brain dump of a boot camp they are going to. If you spend the money to
go to one you are there to learn. The CCIE's who teach the class may
get a good idea to how well the candidate really is prepared. I have
read several posts by instructors who said that they felt like the guy
was there at the end of the bootcamp but felt sorry that the failed
based on the OEQ's. If those instructors sent that info back to Cisco
then maybe they would see how many people it is really hurting. It is
very unlikely Cisco would change anyone's results but with enough of
these emails to Cisco then maybe they will look at the real impact of
adding these questions and see how many failures are caused by them that
are not a brain dump users.

If you are lucky enough to have your employer to pay for the training
and lab then they too can send their feelings through their Cisco reps.
Enough customers and resellers talk back to Cisco then that too is a
help.

That's my 2 cents on the subject.

Rob

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Subject: Re: Failed Again!!!

40000 x 1400 - 5.6 million you think that would make a point :)

E
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:21:10
To: Darby Weaver<darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Failed Again!!!

All,

I think we are getting 2 excited here, i had 2 people from KL in
Malaysia
pass yesterday. So its NOT what some of you guys are thinking.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Darby Weaver
<darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Hmm....
>
> Stop working on the lab?
>
> And then what?
>
> Have the 40,000+ Engineers on this list start working on developing
actual
> Best Practices?
>
> Step by Step instructions on how and why to build a network
effeciently and
> effectively...
>
> Where's the fun in that?
>
> Who would buy a certification based on Best/Leading Practices?
>
> Hmmm....
>
> Maybe this is a sign of the times...
>
> CompTIA Certified Internetworking Engineer
>
> The CCIE of tomorrow...
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Raghav Bhargava
> <raghavbhargava12_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > But Mark, will it not mean that we all are incompetent.... I mean I
am
> not
> > saying that I like OEQ but if we stop trying then I don think we are
> doing
> > any good. Maybe I could be wrong..
> > Raghav
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Mark Matters <markccie_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > There is one way to solve this OEQ issue. Stop taking the lab.
When the
> > > companies start crying that they can not find any CCIE's out there
then
> > > Cisco will cut the non sense right away and start producing more
> CCIE's.
> > > Cisco has a false sense of how things are since all the seats are
> taken.
> > > People have filled the seats to get a crack at the old exam V3.
Once it
> > > goes
> > > V4 watch and see how things go then. I expect to see lot's of
people
> not
> > > even bothering. No one is going to throw their money away on a
chance
> of
> > > getting 4 easy questions.
> > >
> > > Forget the money what about the time. People who study for the lab
have
> > no
> > > life when studying. Every moment is dedicated to the lab. Time
that you
> > > will
> > > not get back.
> > >
> > > Once this affects cisco then they will change.
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Darby Weaver
> > Network Engineer
> >
> > 407-802-7394
> > darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>
>
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