Re: Failed Again!!!

No offence josh , but i dont think your comments on d credibility of
ccie's above 24000 is fair , if the questions are easy then you should
get them correctly shouldnt you , i guess you should have passed the
OEQ.

i believe if your understanding of the theory behind the technology is
core or rock solid then you shouldnt fail the OEQ , trust me i know
wat im saying cos ive seen the questions and conquered.

"Remember there is nothing as practical as a good theory"

To those that feel they need to study a bank of questions to pass the
OEQ , i think you might be disappointed IMHO , all you need is to
devour the books and study a lot of documentation and practise a lot
on the racks to get a very deep understanding of the technology.

Regards ,

CCNAx3(Security , Voice , Wireless)

On 9/8/09, Josh Fleishman <josh.fleishman_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> For what it's worth, I totally agree. Having had a similar experience of
> passing the lab but not the OEQs, I'm not inclined to taking it again until
> the OEQs are gone.
>
> Also, considering that (based on my experience) the lab portion is actually
> a lot easier now than it was before the OEQs were added, I personnally do
> not look at someone with a CCIE in the 24000+ range as having accomplished
> nearly as much as those with numbers below 24000. 21% of their
> accomplishment is based on them being able to answer 3 out of 4 'easy'
> questions. Not exactly a testament to their expertise IMO. Those who pass
> should feel a little cheated too.
>
> -Josh
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Rick Tyrell <rtyrell_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I failed for the 3rd time on August 17th. I haven't felt like writing
>> anything until I read this post. I failed the OEQ section, even though I
>> had passed it the last time. So I guess I went from being 100% on Core
>> Knowledge to 0% even though I sat another bootcamp and was able to
>> dedicate
>> the final 6 weeks of preparation without having to be at work. I covered
>> my
>> weak areas. But I can not memorize every Cisco Press book verbatim which
>> is
>> what the OEQ seems to have become.
>>
>> Now I understand that Cisco is trying to weed out people who cheat. But
>> they are doing it the wrong way. Don't waste someones money and time
>> having
>> them fly out to a CCIE Lab locations and fail them on the OEQ section.
>> Make
>> it a separate exam that can be taken remotely or at a local Cisco
>> office. Once they can pass the OEQ then they can be allowed to take the
>> Lab
>> exam. Interview me in person at a Cisco office and see if I am a cheater
>> or
>> not. It doesn't take long to find out if someone really knows their
>> stuff,
>> just talk to them face to face for a few minutes. I have worked closely
>> with Cisco SEs and spent many hours on the phone with TAC troubleshooting
>> problems they have never seen. Even teaching them a few things in coming
>> up
>> with solutions!
>>
>> I also went throughout the CCNA, CCNP, and CCSP. I remember failing the
>> Troubleshooting and Support exam for the CCNP twice before finally passing
>> it, almost giving up. I also have over 10 years of building and
>> troubleshooting complex networks. If Cisco is really considering the
>> "Cisco
>> Certified Architect" methodology maybe they should look at what a
>> candidate
>> has gone through before taking the CCIE exam. If I was cheating do you
>> think I would have gone through the time and money it took going through
>> the
>> foundational certifications and spending countless hours in training?
>>
>> Maybe instead of an OEQ section we could write and essay about how we love
>> Cisco and will never user another companies products...LOL. I could
>> write
>> in there how I convinced my company to switch from 3COM to Cisco and have
>> blanketed our entire Campus with their equipment and Smartnet contracts.
>> This was all done by me, not a CCIE or "Cisco Certified Architect" or
>> Cisco
>> SE. I mean that is what they are trying to produce right? Someone who
>> knows the technology, can sell the technology to the CIO, configure and
>> troubleshoot it, draw up some pretty Visio diagrams, and upgrade to the
>> newest model every few years. I have been doing all this for the last 10
>> years :)
>>
>> I will learn the 4.0 material because it is relevant to current industry
>> standards We are getting ready to implement MPLS VPNs where I work. But
>> I
>> will not be taking the CCIE 4.0 R&S Lab unless Cisco removes the OEQ
>> section, if I decide to take it at all. I do feel the troubleshooting
>> section is a step in the right direction. This exam should
>> be testing candidates on real world topologies and situations. I have
>> always had respect for Cisco and their certification program. But I'm
>> done
>> with pissing my money and time down the toilet.
>>
>>
>> -Rick
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 3:51 AM, Alexei Monastyrnyi <alexeim73_at_gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Sorry to hear that, mate. 5th try was my lucky one, so you might pass on
>> > that one as well. Just keep up high spirits.
>> >
>> > A. #17234 (RS)
>> >
>> > Dennis Worth wrote:
>> >
>> >> FYI Group
>> >> Failed CCIE R&S for the 4th time, and this time it was because of the
>> >> OEQ's.
>> >> I am so glad Cisco wants to stop the cheaters out there, but after 5
>> years
>> >> on and off of going through this stuff to pass this lab, failing on 1
>> >> simple
>> >> question that is not EXACTLY what they are asking for is absolutely out
>> of
>> >> control.
>> >>
>> >> I will be back, but to all who take this lab exam, you might as well
>> chalk
>> >> it up to LUCK more than skill or knowledge. I hate what this exam has
>> come
>> >> to. It really has no relevance to anything with those questions.
>> >>
>> >> Best of LUCK to anyone who takes the lab, because you will need it!
>> >>
>> >
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