Re: CCDE Boot Camp

The benefit is you get your money in the economy.
I find CCDE and CCA useless for now.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Huzefa <ratlamwala.huzefa_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Guys,
> What financial benefits do a partner get if they hire a CCDE/CCA ? Do they
> get more discounts on Cisco's products.
> I don't see any reason pursuing CCDE/CCA if there is no financial benefits
> to both, the partner and us.
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
>
> > The scope of the RCDD is a little different, but interesting thought.
> >
> > As for courseware then test, I STRONGLY disagree with that. At least at
> > an expert level. I'm not incredibly keen about it on any level, but
> > that's not really my call (train's already left the station). A SKILL
> > assessment or thought-process assessment is not something magically
> > contained in a course. Memorizing a checklist on page 86 should NOT be
> > the answer to a question. But that's just my thinking.
> >
> > The old days were better when the CCIE group's mantra was the assess the
> > skills of experts, not be mired in the who is teaching whom or how to
> > test specific pieces about what's fair or what isn't.
> >
> > Just my two cents.
> >
> > And I'm sure "some" people have done things using lower-certified
> > folks. And there may well be well-qualified folks with only lower
> > certifications, but it seems a little hypocritical to say "come use our
> > material to pass this lab, but pay no attention to the fact that it
> > hasn't worked for our folks who wrote it".
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> >
> > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> >
> > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> >
> > evil_at_ine.com
> >
> >
> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >
> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> >
> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> >
> > Outside US: 775-826-4344
> >
> >
> > Knowledge is power.
> >
> > Power corrupts.
> >
> > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >
> >
> >
> > Darby Weaver wrote:
> > > Hey...
> > >
> > > Be nice...
> > >
> > > Some people have used CCNP's to write CCIE Courseware and so it stands
> > > to reason that CCDP's could write CCDE Courseware too. I mean if some
> > > CLP's follow the same logic...
> > >
> > > But who has been to the class and passed and would pin a testimonial
> > > on it saying it is the way to go?
> > >
> > > Hmm...
> > >
> > > The CCDE is still Beta by any standards.
> > >
> > > I find it amazingly interesting that we have the one industry that
> > > writes a certification first and then the courseware (if any) after
> > > the fact and the NDA has been laid down.
> > >
> > > Shouldn't the courseware come first and then the exam content which
> > > was based on the courseware?
> > >
> > >
> > > There is always the SRND and CVD materials - but they are free. From
> > > what I saw of the CCDE, I'd say a good solid grasp of BICSI RCDD
> > > courseware might come in handy too.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com
> > > <mailto:smorris_at_ine.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > "Cisco Authorized" as in taught by a CLP is a far cry from a "Cisco
> > > Authorized CCDE Practical Bootcamp".
> > >
> > > Do you actually have a real CCDE teaching it? Like someone who's
> > > passed
> > > both the written AND practical?
> > >
> > > I have more doubts about the ones in the UK as their web site
> > > professes
> > > to have TWO full CCDEs teaching the class, although AFAIK there's
> > only
> > > one person who's passed that lives/works in the entirety of Europe,
> > > though I could be wrong.
> > >
> > > I'll side with Brian on this. There's no way, in a week, you'll
> get
> > > what you need to pass this exam. But feel free to spend
> hard-earned
> > > money on it. Stimulate the economy. It needs it. ;)
> > >
> > > My two cents.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> > > #4713,
> > >
> > > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> > >
> > > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> > >
> > > evil_at_ine.com <mailto:evil_at_ine.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > >
> > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com<http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
> > http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > >
> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > >
> > > Outside US: 775-826-4344
> > >
> > >
> > > Knowledge is power.
> > >
> > > Power corrupts.
> > >
> > > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Brad Ellis wrote:
> > > > We offer both the written and lab Cisco authorized boot camps.
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > > Brad Ellis
> > > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > > > CCSI# 30482
> > > > CEO / President
> > > > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
> > > > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com <mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
> > > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > > > International: +1-702-968-5100
> > > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> > > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> > > <http://www.ccbootcamp.com/>
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
> > > [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>] On
> > > Behalf Of
> > > > Arun Kumar Arumuganainar
> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:07 AM
> > > > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > > > Cc: Arun Reliance
> > > > Subject: CCDE Boot Camp
> > > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Is there any body who offers boot camp( Preferably in UK/US ) or
> > > > training
> > > > materials for CCDE .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I understand CCIE has extensive study materials. But wondering if
> > we
> > > > have any
> > > > for CCDE.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks and Regards
> > > >
> > > > Arun
> > > >
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