Re: cisco lab safe

I am sorry Scott, who are you talking to? are you talking to me? Who is
breaking NDA?

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:

> It's not only not "fair" (isn't all fair in love, war and marketing?)
> but it's also not accurate. Some of us merely adhere to NDAs better
> than others do, and don't attempt to rub noses in things.
>
> But it's all in the name of fun, right?
>
>
>
>
> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>
> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>
> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
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> Dark Fiber wrote:
> > I can't see that being fair to bring up right now... What does that
> > tell people who want to get started today? Wait "X" amount of time
> > because their is a change coming down the line? If there is a major
> > change coming down the line why isn't this being told to us right now?
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> > <mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Scott is comparing a grey-market program to the Cisco authorized 360
> > learning program. There are some major changes coming to the CCIE lab
> > exam. The Cisco 360 Program already has the "inside scoop" on the
> > changes coming down the pipe. The grey market folks don't have
> > that. If
> > you want to prepare for your lab exam properly, it's going to become
> > more and more apparent that the 360 program is the way to go. (One of
> > the big reasons why we joined the program!)
> >
> > This announcement is only one of many things to come. There will
> > be more
> > and more differentiators that keep making the Cisco 360 Learning
> > Program
> > increasingly advantageous as the best option for CCIE training
> > over grey
> > market competition.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Brad Ellis
> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > CCSI# 30482
> > CEO / President
> > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
> > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com <mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
> > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > International: +1-702-968-5100
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> > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
> > [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>] On
> > Behalf Of
> > Scott Morris
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 3:41 PM
> > To: armylegionmedic_at_aol.com <mailto:armylegionmedic_at_aol.com>
> > Cc: darkfiber08_at_gmail.com <mailto:darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>;
> > dane.newman_at_gmail.com <mailto:dane.newman_at_gmail.com>;
> > ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
> >
> > Excellent question on that. The CCIE Essentials, though, is exactly
> > that from them, the workbooks + videos. So I was putting out the
> > option. It simply happened to be the least expensive option from us.
> >
> > By the way, according to
> > https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/docs/DOC-5857, I was
> > incorrect on
> > my math. You must take ALL FOUR (4 x 349 = $1,400) AND score at
> least
> > 80% on one of them. So their minimum investment just became $3,995 +
> > $1,400 = $5,395.
> >
> > Slice it however you want. It's marketing, and I most certainly
> won't
> > fault anyone for that! As always, people are capable of making their
> > own decisions on things! Just do the math.
> >
> > I'm not downplaying the program itself. I know too many of the
> people
> > involved and respect their capabilities all around. Not all vendors
> > selling the 360 will be the same, however, which puts a kludge into
> > things... but as long as you know what you're getting into, you are
> > welcome to select whichever flavor of apple works best for you! Some
> > may be more expensive than others despite the pretty sign next to
> > them!
> >
> > ;)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> > #4713,
> >
> > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> >
> > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> >
> > evil_at_ine.com <mailto:evil_at_ine.com>
> >
> >
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> >
> > Knowledge is power.
> >
> > Power corrupts.
> >
> > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >
> >
> >
> > armylegionmedic_at_aol.com <mailto:armylegionmedic_at_aol.com> wrote:
> > > I mean, maybe this is just me, but the only price that was cheap
> > > enough to beat Cisco's deal was a CoD and Workkooks, so we arent
> > > really comparing Apples to Apples are we? If we were to look
> > apples to
> > > apples or maybe like a Granny Smith vs. Mt. Washington Apple, I
> > think
> > > that the Cisco 360 offer is looking pretty tempting. The only part
> > > that I would have to really say competes is the free re-sits.
> > This is
> > > all IMO, but maybe I am misreading something.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com
> > <mailto:darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>>
> > > To: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com <mailto:smorris_at_ine.com>>
> > > Cc: Dane Newman <dane.newman_at_gmail.com
> > <mailto:dane.newman_at_gmail.com>>; Cisco certification
> > > <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>
> > > Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:25 pm
> > > Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
> > >
> > > If I read that right $3500 and the price of a mock lab might be
> > worth
> > it for
> > > a $1400 lab voucher if you fail. Anyone else get the same or did I
> > misread
> > > it?
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com
> > <mailto:smorris_at_ine.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ok.... So let's do some math on this...
> > > >
> > > > CIERS1 = $3,995
> > > > CIERS2 = $4,500
> > > > Essentials = $4,550
> > > >
> > > > Plus an Assessment lab (minimum 1, possibly more) = $349
> > > >
> > > > So at a BARE MINIMUM you are looking at $3,995 + $349 = $4,345
> > that
> > you
> > > > have to spend in order to get that.
> > > >
> > > > For INE's pricing, a bootcamp costs $2,995 (not including any
> > > > discounts). The mock lab workshop is $3,995 again not counting
> > > > discounts. The lab workbook set + CoD bundle = $825 + 1,695 or
> > $2,520
> > > > (not including any discounts). A mock lab (minimum 1, possibly
> > more) =
> > > > $129.
> > > >
> > > > So on price point alone, you have a minimum comparable
> > spending (not
> > > > including discounts) of $2,649. That's a grand difference
> > there of
> > > > $1,696, so you can spring for another lab, not need
> > pre-qualification
> > > > AND save an extra $296 to use towards your
> > airfare/hotel/food/whatever....
> > > >
> > > > Oh yeah, and you don't get re-sits in the 360 program, you can
> > attend
> > > > our classes as many times as you'd like to and whenever you'd
> like
> > to.
> > > >
> > > > So I'm really thinking that this kind of promotion alone is not
> > going to
> > > > swing someone one way or the other, at least unless they don't do
> > math.
> > > > But I'm sure if you work with our sales department, we would
> > be more
> > > > than happy to charge you more money and simply spring for a lab
> > attempt
> > > > for you based on certain criteria and select vendors only.
> > > >
> > > > If you have any questions on this, feel free to contact me
> > offline,
> > I'd
> > > > be more than happy to cover options with you. I don't see a
> point
> > of
> > > > dragging this on and on through a technical list (e.g.
> > non-marketing
> > list).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> > #4713,
> > > >
> > > > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> > > >
> > > > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> > > >
> > > > evil_at_ine.com <mailto:evil_at_ine.com>
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Knowledge is power.
> > > >
> > > > Power corrupts.
> > > >
> > > > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dane Newman wrote:
> > > > > I got the following email below from cisco. All I can say
> > is imo
> > this
> > > > will
> > > > > make it harder on 3rd party vendors sadly that do offer quality
> > training.
> > > > > The chance to retake the lab for free is worth its weight in
> > gold
> > for all
> > > > > the stress relief it can bring.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dane
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cisco Lab Safe Promotion: Protect Your Training Investment
> > > > > Learning_at_Cisco is pleased to introduce the Cisco Lab Safe
> > promotion. The
> > > > > Cisco Lab Safe promotion allows qualifying Cisco. 360 Learning
> > Program
> > > > for
> > > > > CCIE. Routing & Switching students who don't pass their
> > first CCIE
> > lab
> > > > exam
> > > > > attempt, to retake the CCIE lab exam (a $1,400 US Value) at no
> > additional
> > > > > cost.
> > > > > The Cisco 360 Learning Program for R&S guides engineers who
> have
> > three to
> > > > > five years of networking experience through an effective,
> > job-relevant,
> > > > and
> > > > > proven program to build expert-level skills and to prepare
> > for the
> > > > rigorous
> > > > > Cisco CCIE R&S certification exams. Together, the Cisco 360
> > Learning
> > > > > Program for CCIE R&S and the Cisco Lab Safe promotion provide
> > added
> > > > > assurance in the quality and value of your training investment.
> > > > > How the Cisco Lab Safe Promotion Works:
> > > > > Students must meet the following criteria in order to be
> > eligible
> > for the
> > > > > Cisco Lab Safe promotion:
> > > > > A recommendation from their instructor
> > > > > Completed the Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE R&S
> Essentials
> > Package
> > > > or
> > > > > a CIERS instructor-led workshop
> > > > > Scored 80% or better on one of the CIERS 1-4 performance
> > assessments
> > > > > Only select Authorized Cisco Learning Partners offer the
> > Cisco 360
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