Re: cisco lab safe

That makes me nervous. It just tells me they anticipate you to fail
using the Cisco 360 Program :)

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Wayne Lawson <groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
> Guys....On a serious note here - Cisco is giving away free retakes (if you
> spend a lot of money) on the 360 program (if you pay twice as much as us
> "gray market" providers) - I'm wondering what ther class retake policy is.
> Are 360 vendors forced to allow free retakes of the class you take and pay
> for? Also, are there guaranteed updates on the self-study materials if the
> blueprint changes. Seriously - I don't know the answer to this - I'm just
> trying to get my arms around the truth and "marketing fluff"....
>
> Regards,
>
> Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
> Founder & President - IPexpert, Inc.
> Mailto: wlawson_at_ipexpert.com
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> :: Message sent from iPhone.
>
> On Sep 15, 2009, at 7:00 PM, Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Narbik is in the 360 program though ;) His workbooks and teaching and
>> their
>> mock labs...
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Darby Weaver
>> <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hey...
>>>
>>> Compare the number of 360 CCIE's in telast 2 years over at NMC to the
>>> number of CCIE's from IPexpert and InternetworkExpert...
>>>
>>> Never mind Narbik who's killing the 360 single-handedly.
>>>
>>>
>>> Why should you pay more for materials that have not been updated in 2-3
>>> years other than interfaces?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:45 PM, <armylegionmedic_at_aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Awesome, I see I did misunderstand and this clears up a lot. I would
>>>> have
>>>> to say then based on things from Cisco being a requirement and really
>>>> adding
>>>> in a lot of back end costs, then you are absolutely correct. Cisco 360
>>>> is
>>>> extremely expensive and the free retake is just a marketing tool, that
>>>> in
>>>> some ways you are actually paying for. Like buying a car and they talk
>>>> about
>>>> well, we are going to charge you an extra $500 dollars, BUT just for
>>>> that we
>>>> will throw in a free air freshner. ?:-) YYYAAAYYY!!! SOLD!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com>
>>>> To: armylegionmedic_at_aol.com
>>>> Cc: darkfiber08_at_gmail.com; dane.newman_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>> Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:40 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Excellent question on that. The CCIE Essentials, though, is exactly
>>>> that from them, the workbooks + videos. So I was putting out the
>>>> option. It simply happened to be the least expensive option from us.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, according to
>>>> https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/docs/DOC-5857, I was incorrect on
>>>> my math. You must take ALL FOUR (4 x 349 = $1,400) AND score at least
>>>> 80% on one of them. So their minimum investment just became $3,995 +
>>>> $1,400 = $5,395.
>>>>
>>>> Slice it however you want. It's marketing, and I most certainly won't
>>>> fault anyone for that! As always, people are capable of making their
>>>> own decisions on things! Just do the math.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not downplaying the program itself. I know too many of the people
>>>> involved and respect their capabilities all around. Not all vendors
>>>> selling the 360 will be the same, however, which puts a kludge into
>>>> things... but as long as you know what you're getting into, you are
>>>> welcome to select whichever flavor of apple works best for you! Some
>>>> may be more expensive than others despite the pretty sign next to them!
>>>>
>>>> ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>>>>
>>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>>>
>>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>>
>>>> evil_at_ine.com
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>>
>>>> Power corrupts.
>>>>
>>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> armylegionmedic_at_aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean, maybe this is just me, but the only price that was cheap
>>>>> enough to beat Cisco's deal was a CoD and Workkooks, so we arent
>>>>> really comparing Apples to Apples are we? If we were to look apples to
>>>>> apples or maybe like a Granny Smith vs. Mt. Washington Apple, I think
>>>>> that the Cisco 360 offer is looking pretty tempting. The only part
>>>>> that I would have to really say competes is the free re-sits. This is
>>>>> all IMO, but maybe I am misreading something.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>
>>>>> To: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com>
>>>>> Cc: Dane Newman <dane.newman_at_gmail.com>; Cisco certification
>>>>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:25 pm
>>>>> Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
>>>>>
>>>>> If I read that right $3500 and the price of a mock lab might be worth
>>>>> it
>>>>
>>>> for
>>>>>
>>>>> a $1400 lab voucher if you fail. Anyone else get the same or did I
>>>>
>>>> misread
>>>>>
>>>>> it?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok.... So let's do some math on this...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CIERS1 = $3,995
>>>>>> CIERS2 = $4,500
>>>>>> Essentials = $4,550
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plus an Assessment lab (minimum 1, possibly more) = $349
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So at a BARE MINIMUM you are looking at $3,995 + $349 = $4,345 that
>>>>
>>>> you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> have to spend in order to get that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For INE's pricing, a bootcamp costs $2,995 (not including any
>>>>>> discounts). The mock lab workshop is $3,995 again not counting
>>>>>> discounts. The lab workbook set + CoD bundle = $825 + 1,695 or $2,520
>>>>>> (not including any discounts). A mock lab (minimum 1, possibly more)
>>>>
>>>> =
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $129.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So on price point alone, you have a minimum comparable spending (not
>>>>>> including discounts) of $2,649. That's a grand difference there of
>>>>>> $1,696, so you can spring for another lab, not need pre-qualification
>>>>>> AND save an extra $296 to use towards your
>>>>
>>>> airfare/hotel/food/whatever....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh yeah, and you don't get re-sits in the 360 program, you can attend
>>>>>> our classes as many times as you'd like to and whenever you'd like to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I'm really thinking that this kind of promotion alone is not going
>>>>
>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> swing someone one way or the other, at least unless they don't do
>>>>
>>>> math.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I'm sure if you work with our sales department, we would be more
>>>>>> than happy to charge you more money and simply spring for a lab
>>>>
>>>> attempt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for you based on certain criteria and select vendors only.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have any questions on this, feel free to contact me offline,
>>>>
>>>> I'd
>>>>>>
>>>>>> be more than happy to cover options with you. I don't see a point of
>>>>>> dragging this on and on through a technical list (e.g. non-marketing
>>>>
>>>> list).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
>>>>
>>>> #4713,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>>>>
>>>>>> evil_at_ine.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Power corrupts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dane Newman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I got the following email below from cisco. All I can say is imo
>>>>
>>>> this
>>>>>>
>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> make it harder on 3rd party vendors sadly that do offer quality
>>>>
>>>> training.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The chance to retake the lab for free is worth its weight in gold
>>>>
>>>> for all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the stress relief it can bring.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dane
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cisco Lab Safe Promotion: Protect Your Training Investment
>>>>>>> Learning_at_Cisco is pleased to introduce the Cisco Lab Safe
>>>>
>>>> promotion. The
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cisco Lab Safe promotion allows qualifying Cisco. 360 Learning
>>>>
>>>> Program
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CCIE. Routing & Switching students who don't pass their first CCIE
>>>>
>>>> lab
>>>>>>
>>>>>> exam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> attempt, to retake the CCIE lab exam (a $1,400 US Value) at no
>>>>
>>>> additional
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cost.
>>>>>>> The Cisco 360 Learning Program for R&S guides engineers who have
>>>>
>>>> three to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> five years of networking experience through an effective,
>>>>
>>>> job-relevant,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> proven program to build expert-level skills and to prepare for the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> rigorous
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cisco CCIE R&S certification exams. Together, the Cisco 360
>>>>
>>>> Learning
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Program for CCIE R&S and the Cisco Lab Safe promotion provide added
>>>>>>> assurance in the quality and value of your training investment.
>>>>>>> How the Cisco Lab Safe Promotion Works:
>>>>>>> Students must meet the following criteria in order to be eligible
>>>>
>>>> for the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cisco Lab Safe promotion:
>>>>>>> A recommendation from their instructor
>>>>>>> Completed the Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE R&S Essentials
>>>>
>>>> Package
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a CIERS instructor-led workshop
>>>>>>> Scored 80% or better on one of the CIERS 1-4 performance assessments
>>>>>>> Only select Authorized Cisco Learning Partners offer the Cisco 360
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Program curriculum and Cisco Lab Safe promotion.
>>>>>>> Find out more about Cisco Lab Safe promotion and the official terms
>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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