RE: Cisco Safe Lab

Thanks Mark. I was interested until I looked at the pricing (roughly
$8,000). I'll stick with my books, lab, Cisco Doc, and INE workbooks. If
that is not enough then screw it. I'll go get an MBA and hire some
CCIEs.

Regards,

Tony Jackson

Senior Network Engineer

Network Implementation Engineering, CIT

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-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 6:52 PM
To: Narbik Kocharians
Cc: Dawn Tesar; smorris_at_ine.com; Brad Ellis; JR Garcia; Cisco
certification
Subject: Re: Cisco Safe Lab

All the bickering and barking. All the opinions and harsh tones. All
this
for what? To get customers? Prove a point? You all (no names provided as
I
already said what I felt) are providing absolutely EPIC FAILURE... Now
won't
you all take a deep breath...
For anyone reading this who thinks this is all this list is about.
Kindly
forgive the BS. The kids arguing just can't provide a document and just
move
on. Instead, they trump their business...not really thinking that by all
the
talking their doing they are in fact making their business look
STOOPID!!!
Here is the document https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-5913
Hopefully this will put an end to this, so we can all help, learn or
whatever. I'm just tired of having to hit delete every 5 seconds with no
real traction.
Thanks kindly.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Narbik Kocharians
<narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> NOW....Was that different to what i mentioned?
>
> I am in this program and i do talk to RICK Smith, and sometimes on
weekly
> basis. I have included my 2.0 boot camp in this program and together
the
> students have a better passing rate. May be the BEST passing chance.
But
> hey.....if a student does NOT score 80 percent on *ONE* of the labs,
then,
> i guess i will not be recommending him/her for a FREE voucher, i guess
after
> all the labs and lectures in my boot camp if you still score below 80
> percent on all the labs, i guess you are NOT ready therefore, you
don't
> qualify.
> Now once again:
>
> 1 Attend CIERS1 or CIERS2
> 2 Complete 1 Assessment Lab and score 80% or higher
> 3 Instructor Recommendation
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Dawn Tesar <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com>
wrote:
>
>> Stop reading and start understanding -
>>
>> Let's be really clear and end this discussion, I am part of this
>> promotion:
>> If you would like to be a part of the Cisco Lab Safe Promotion - call
me,
>> here is what you HAVE TO do:
>> 1 Attend CIERS1 or CIERS2
>> 2 Complete 1 Assessment Lab and score 80% or higher
>> 3 Instructor Recommendation
>>
>> Period the end. I guaranteed this to be accurate.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dawn Tesar
>> CCBOOTCAMP
>> 1.877.654.2243
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris_at_ine.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:29 PM
>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>> Cc: smorris_at_ine.com; Dawn Tesar; mark jackson; Brad Ellis; JR Garcia;
>> Cisco certification
>> Subject: Re: Cisco Safe Lab
>>
>> I'm not doing anything but reading. Why is that so hard for some
people
>> to do???
>>
>> For the assessment labs, it very clearly states "Complete all and
score
>> 80% or higher on at least one exam"
>>
>> AND = both. Purchase FOUR assessment labs. Score above 80% on at
least
>> one.
>>
>> Attend the course as you stated
>>
>> AND obtain the instructor's recommendation. While we may like to
assume
>> that's an automatic thing, clearly it is not otherwise they wouldn't
>> bother putting that in there.
>>
>> Beyond that, I'm not making anything up, but it would be very nice to
>> have people read their own marketing stuff. And it says that "All
>> components must be marked complete" blah, blah, blah.
>>
>> I repeat, I don't have anything against the program or the Safe
Lab...
>> Just against sales folks not knowing their own rules and trying to
sell
>> something without full disclosure. And yes, I hold the same
principles
>> towards anyone selling anything in life, so it's nothing new.
>>
>> If that's unbelievable for you, I'm sorry about that. Notice that in
>> NONE of the posts did I say "gee, go someplace else instead" or name
>> anything else. So how about you figure out what the program is that
>> you are involved in and between yourselves quit making shit up? THAT
is
>> the point.
>>
>> Principles. New concept. Nothing more needs to be said about it, so
>> feel free to come out with another "unbelievable" commentary. I'm
done
>> with it.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>> > Scott,
>> >
>> > Why do you like to confuse everyone? I read the rules and spoke to
>> Netmaster
>> > and some people in Cisco, its amazing how you have the ability to
twist
>> the
>> > words around. Mate the rule is very SIMPLE, if you attend CIERS-1
and
>> score
>> > 80 or better and god forbid you fail the lab, upon instructors
>> > recommendation Cisco will give that student a FREE voucher.
NOW...Which
>> part
>> > is NOT clear? If you like i can get Netmaster people to second what
i am
>> > saying here.
>> >
>> > This is unbelievable what some will do these days............
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com>
wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> Well said... But you may consider telling the Cisco Marketing
people
>> >> about their own program since clearly you know it better than they
do!
>> ;)
>> >>
>> >> The publicly facing document has pretty clear guidelines for all
the
>> >> stuff you have to purchase and accomplish in order to "fit the
>> criteria"
>> >> for the free lab resit. I believe a GS Archive search will see
that
>> >> too, but it's ok.
>> >>
>> >> https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-5857
>> >>
>> >> I'm not sure why I need to know more about your programs than you
do,
>> >> but it's ok. Just like used cars... Taxes, fees, licenses,
delivery
>> >> to destination, titling all separate (but required).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
>> #4713,
>> >>
>> >> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>> >>
>> >> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>> >>
>> >> evil_at_ine.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
<http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>> >>
>> >> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>> >>
>> >> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Knowledge is power.
>> >>
>> >> Power corrupts.
>> >>
>> >> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Well said. How could one even think about grey market?
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Dawn Tesar <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com
>> >>> <mailto:dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Actually... take it from someone who knows the Cisco 360
Program -
>> >>> you only have to buy a single class and a graded assessment
to be
>> >>> a part of the Cisco Lab Safe. :)
>> >>>
>> >>> Well worth the protection. And it doesn't cost a cent more
than
>> >>> grey market. HMMMM... what would I choose?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> Dawn Tesar | Director, Sales and Marketing | CCBOOTCAMP
>> >>> 375 N. Stephanie Street Bldg. 21 Suite 2111, Henderson,
Nevada
>> 89014
>> >>> Toll Free 1.877.654.2243 Intl +1.702.968.5100 Fax
702.446.0357
>> >>> Skype skype:ccbootcamp?call
>> >>> Email dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com <mailto:dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com>
>> >>>
>> >>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP) , Cisco
>> >>> Premier Channel Partner
>> >>> Yes! We take Cisco Learning Credits
>> >>> CompTIA Learning Alliance Partner
>> >>> GSA Schedule 70 Contractor #GS-35F-0044V
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: mark jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com
>> >>> <mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com>]
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:25 PM
>> >>> To: smorris_at_ine.com <mailto:smorris_at_ine.com>
>> >>> Cc: Brad Ellis; JR Garcia; Cisco certification; Dawn Tesar
>> >>> Subject: Re: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?
>> >>>
>> >>> ...mental note made ;-)
>> >>>
>> >>> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>> Please excuse spelling errors
>> >>>
>> >>> On Oct 27, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com
>> >>> <mailto:smorris_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > hehehehe... While that made me laugh out loud, I'd still
at
>> least
>> >>> > caution that it's not the WHOLE story.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > You have to purchase several other things to be part of the
>> >>> Cisco Safe
>> >>> > Lab program.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > So I think you have to BUY the screwdriver set in order to
get
>> the
>> >>> > special case.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Scott
>> >>> >
>> >>> > mark jackson wrote:
>> >>> >> ...but wait there's more! Act now and receive absolutely
free,
>> >>>
>> >> this
>> >>
>> >>> >> free screwdriver set.
>> >>> >> Sorry, could resist (hehe)
>> >>> >> All great people JR and well worth looking at ;-)
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>> >> Please excuse spelling errors
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Oct 27, 2009, at 2:42 PM, "Brad Ellis"
<brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>> >>> <mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>>
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> JR,
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> If you book your class with CCBOOTCAMP (my company), you
will
>> >>> get a
>> >>> >>> free
>> >>> >>> retake of not only our class, but if you fail your lab
exam,
>> with
>> >>> >>> the
>> >>> >>> Cisco 360 lab safe program, you will also get a free
retake of
>> >>>
>> >> the
>> >>
>> >>> >>> lab
>> >>> >>> exam as well.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> thanks,
>> >>> >>> Brad Ellis
>> >>> >>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>> >>> >>> CCSI# 30482
>> >>> >>> CEO / President
>> >>> >>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>> >>> >>> Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com <mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
>> >>> >>> Toll Free: 877-654-2243
>> >>> >>> International: +1-702-968-5100
>> >>> >>> Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
>> >>> >>> FAX: +1-702-446-8012
>> >>> >>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>> >>> >>> Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
>> >>> <http://www.ccbootcamp.com/>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> >>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
>> >>> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>]
On
>> >>> Behalf
>> >>> >>> Of
>> >>> >>> JR Garcia
>> >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:40 AM
>> >>> >>> To: Cisco certification
>> >>> >>> Subject: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> was looking at taking a class spring 2010 before making
an
>> >>>
>> >> attempt
>> >>
>> >>> >>> at
>> >>> >>> the
>> >>> >>> lab.
>> >>> >>> has any one ever attended one of his classes? the other
>> vendors
>> >>> >>> offer a
>> >>> >>> lab/lecture type class, but i really don't want any
lecture. i
>> >>>
>> >> can
>> >>
>> >>> >>> read
>> >>> >>> and
>> >>> >>> watch videos on my own time to learn the technologies.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> leaving home for 3 weeks with no distractions and just
>> >>>
>> >> configuring
>> >>
>> >>> >>> everyday
>> >>> >>> with someone there to give guidance is really appealing
to me.
>> >>> seems
>> >>> >>> like a
>> >>> >>> good way to finish up studying before an attempt. i
haven't
>> been
>> >>> >>> able
>> >>> >>> to
>> >>> >>> find any reviews out there so i figured id try here.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> thanks
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>> >>> <http://www.ccie.net/>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
Received on Wed Oct 28 2009 - 19:08:45 ART