RE: OT - V4, week 1, no new CCIEs?

Well a little bit of news from my side.

I was speaking to my local SE about this exact issue (cheating) today
and he has told me that Cisco are investigating a LOT of these online
cheat sites. He has also told me that they are going the rabbit hole to
see who/what is responsible for the leaks.

So, there might be some centers being closed down soon or at least some
Cisco people in those centers losing their job's/status

Let see what happens

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Johnny B CCIE
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 5:43 PM
To: groupstudy
Subject: Re: OT - V4, week 1, no new CCIEs?

Yes sir. That's what one of the cheat sites said. They will no longer
sell to anyone from China and anyone that uses an anonymous proxy
anymore. This is hilarious. They have no concept of right and wrong.
None. I am laughing as I write it and think about it.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:30 AM, <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com> wrote:
> Are you saying that the companies that push the envelope of legal
cheating
> are having trouble protecting their product? Oh that is rich. Ironic.
>
> Charles Henson
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Johnny B CCIE <jbccie_at_gmail.com>
>
> To: groupstudy <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>
> Date: 10/30/2009 10:26 AM
>
> Subject: Re: OT - V4, week 1, no new CCIEs?
>
>
>
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>
> Someone pointed out to me that this can be a real problem. It is now a
> fact that the Koreans won't sell their copyrighted braindumps of the
> ccie lab to anyone who is chinese or comes from an proxy anymore.
>
> Cisco is not the only one having trouble keeping the lab a secret.
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Muhammad Nasim
> <muhammad.nasim_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Atalanta,
>>
>> Why don't we see any one passing the lab from 1st or the 2nd world
>> countries.
>>
>> So it seems to me that EVEN first and 2nd world countries CCIE are
all
>> dependent on the hardwork of Third World Countries (Cheating or
> something)
>>
>> Most importantly Cisco is located in First world country so I should
say
>> that these are people who are leaking the labs of in other words ;
>>
>> First World People + Third World People = LAB OUT
>>
>> So dear Atalanta next time please bear in mind what are you saying
about
> any
>> part of the world
>>
>> I can make a bid that once the lab start getting out in the internet
then
> we
>> will see a lot of people passing from US and other countries, Do I
have a
>> right to make a comment that ALL US CCIE Candidates are cheaters and
they
>> were just waiting for the LAB TO BE OUT
>>
>> Hope above will give you good lesson of thought
>>
>> No hard feelings
>>
>> Take care
>>
>>
>> 2009/10/30 Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>
>>
>>> Take out the luck factor aka OEQs and we have 6 hours for config
part.
>>> I just HOPE they keep changing the stuff otherwise we will be in the
>>> same situation.
>>>
>>> Also - let's remove the thing about recert with written. Every three
>>> years you MUST pass ANY ccie track's lab to recert. Now THAT will be
>>> something :)
>>>
>>> On 10/30/09, Charles.Henson_at_regions.com <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Yeah I saw that. I was thinking about going back at the end of the
> year
>>> but
>>> > I think I might need to re-focus on a few things. ALL-FROM-NJs
thread
>>> > definitely was a good write-up and has me thinking....
>>> >
>>> > Charles Henson
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > To: Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Cc: omar parihuana <omar.parihuana_at_gmail.com>, Roy
Waterman
>>> > <roy.waterman_at_gmail.com>, Brad Ellis
>>> > <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>, Smooth IE <
>>> smoothccie_at_googlemail.com>,
>>> > Cisco certification
>>> > <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Date: 10/30/2009 07:05 AM
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Subject: Re: OT - V4, week 1, no new CCIEs?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > looks like when lab changes it has a good effect :)
>>> >
>>> > 32 days and only 6 voice ccie ?
>>> >
>>> > *CCIE Count Change by Country*
>>> > [image: CCIE Count Change by
>>> > Country]<
>>> >
>>>
>
http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/certified_ccies/worldwide.htm
l>
>>> > Source: Dual CCIE #18532 George Morton <
> http://www.madisonsolutions.net/
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Growth of the China CCIE count goes negative by -9
>>> > http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/46893
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Atlanta CCIE
>>> > <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I hear you. My point was that you only had to CONFIGURE 59 points
> worth
>>> > of
>>> >> tasks to pass ASSUMING you got 21 on the OEQs. Before folks had
to
>>> >> CONFIGURE
>>> >> 80 points worth of tasks :) Thats all.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:01 PM, omar parihuana <
>>> omar.parihuana_at_gmail.com
>>> >> >wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > hahaha... sorry guy but many people din't pass between Feb and
> Oct...
>>> >> and
>>> >> > after OEQ introduction IMHO the lab exam wasn't ever a fair
game...
>>> if
>>> >> you
>>> >> > got 100% in lab sectio and fail at least 2/4 in OEQ you
failed.. so
>>> why
>>> >> the
>>> >> > "easiest of rides"?... if you weren't able to answer 3/4 OEQ
game
>>> >> > over!! have you asked somebody who took the exam before Feb and
>>> >> > retook between Feb-Oct if the lab exam was more difficult
before
> Feb,
>>> > and
>>> >> > easy after Feb?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > RGds.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Atlanta CCIE
> <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com
>>> >> >wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> So it appears that anyone who passed during Feb 2009 - Oct
18th
> 2009
>>> > had
>>> >> >> the
>>> >> >> easiest of rides............. 21 Points and get 59 points on
the
> lab
>>> > and
>>> >> >> you
>>> >> >> are set. I have heard stories where folks were done by 12pm :D
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Roy Waterman <
>>> roy.waterman_at_gmail.com
>>> >> >> >wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> > Hi Brad
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Based on this fact, if the situation were to continue with
some
>>> more
>>> >> >> weeks
>>> >> >> > passing with noone or a couple of ppl passing, would Cisco
be
>>> > looking
>>> >> to
>>> >> >> > make appropriate changes so that people who do know their
stuff
> are
>>> >> able
>>> >> >> to
>>> >> >> > have a decent chance of passing?
>>> >> >> > From reports, it does appear to me that running out of time
is a
>>> > much
>>> >> >> > bigger
>>> >> >> > problem than it was in v3.
>>> >> >> > It appears that:
>>> >> >> > - there isnt time to go back over your work to verify
>>> >> >> > - there isnt time to diagram or read the lab
>>> >> >> > - there isnt time to go back over questions you may have got
> stuck
>>> > on
>>> >> >> > earlier
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Just curious as to whether you know if Cisco are happy with
> things
>>> > as
>>> >> >> they
>>> >> >> > are, and intend to keep them that way, & also whether they
> intend
>>> to
>>> >> act
>>> >> >> > upon what certain ppl who took the beta lab had to say (one
of
>>> which
>>> >> was
>>> >> >> > time ;))
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > 2009/10/27 Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > > It's confirmed: as of yesterday, no one has passed the new
> CCIE
>>> > R&S
>>> >> >> lab
>>> >> >> > > exam. Some people have passed certain parts, but no one
has
>>> passed
>>> >> all
>>> >> >> > > three parts - at least yet!
>>> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> > > thanks,
>>> >> >> > > Brad Ellis
>>> >> >> > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>>> >> >> > > CCSI# 30482
>>> >> >> > > CEO / President
>>> >> >> > > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>>> >> >> > > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>>> >> >> > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
>>> >> >> > > International: +1-702-968-5100
>>> >> >> > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
>>> >> >> > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
>>> >> >> > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>>> >> >> > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
>>> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> >> >> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com]
On
>>> >> Behalf
>>> >> >> Of
>>> >> >> > > Smooth IE
>>> >> >> > > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 2:19 PM
>>> >> >> > > To: Cisco certification
>>> >> >> > > Subject: Re: OT - V4, week 1, no new CCIEs?
>>> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> > > my friend claims to have passed last week. not sure of any
> more
>>> >> >> details
>>> >> >> > > other than taht yet.
>>> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> > > 2009/10/26 Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
>>> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> > > > Im at building C in SJ right now. Based on the # of
people
>>> > waiting
>>> >> >> (or
>>> >> >> > > > lack there of) for the proctor this morning, I'd venture
to
> say
>>> >> >> > > there's
>>> >> >> > > > a LOT of capacity for the R&S exam right now. I usually
see
> 10+
>>> >> >> people
>>> >> >> > > > waiting in the Building C lobby at 8.10am. Today, there
were
>>> > only
>>> >> >> four
>>> >> >> > > > total!
>>> >> >> > > >
>>> >> >> > > > thanks,
>>> >> >> > > > Brad Ellis
>>> >> >> > > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>>> >> >> > > > CCSI# 30482
>>> >> >> > > > CEO / President
>>> >> >> > > > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>>> >> >> > > > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>>> >> >> > > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
>>> >> >> > > > International: +1-702-968-5100
>>> >> >> > > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
>>> >> >> > > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
>>> >> >> > > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>>> >> >> > > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
>>> >> >> > > >
>>> >> >> > > >
>>> >> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
>>> >> >> > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
[mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com]
> On
>>> >> >> Behalf
>>> >> >> > > Of
>>> >> >> > > > Jonny English
>>> >> >> > > > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:05 AM
>>> >> >> > > > To: Rick Mur
>>> >> >> > > > Cc: Vibeesh S; Atlanta CCIE; Hammer; Cisco certification
>>> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: OT - V4, week 1, no new CCIEs?
>>> >> >> > > >
>>> >> >> > > > last week someone said testing centers were full.....
>>> >> >> > > >
>>> >> >> > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:17 AM, Rick Mur
> <rmur_at_ipexpert.com>
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >> > > >
>>> >> >> > > > > I also think that the test centers were really empty
the
> last
>>> >> >> week.
>>> >> >> > > I
>>> >> >> > > > think
>>> >> >> > > > > people are quite scared of the new lab format and wait
on
> the
>>> >> >> first
>>> >> >> > > > > responses :-)
>>> >> >> > > > >
>>> >> >> > > > >
>>> >> >> > > > > --
>>> >> >> > > > >
>>> >> >> > > > > Regards,
>>> >> >> > > > >
>>> >> >> > > > > Rick Mur
>>> >> >> > > > > CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider)
>>> >> >> > > > > Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
>>> >> >> > > > > URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
<http://www.ipexpert.com/>
>>> >> >> > > > >
>>> >> >> > > > >
>>> >> >> > > > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Vibeesh S
>>> > <vibselva_at_gmail.com>
>>> >> >> > > wrote:
>>> >> >> > > > >
>>> >> >> > > > >> I don't think many would have taken the lab in the
first
>>> week
>>> >> >> after
>>> >> >> > > > >> change.
>>> >> >> > > > >>
>>> >> >> > > > >> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Atlanta CCIE
>>> >> >> > > <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>
>>> >> >> > > > >> wrote:
>>> >> >> > > > >>
>>> >> >> > > > >> > Sucks for the people of the 3rd world countries. Oh
> wait
>>> >> until
>>> >> >> > > > things
>>> >> >> > > > >> > start leaking out of china and india and may be
dubai
> :)
>>> >> >> > > > >> >
>>> >> >> > > > >> > On 10/26/09, Jonny English
<redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >> >> > > > >> > > not everyone posts on GS. So who knows, someone
might
>>> > have
>>> >> >> > > > passed.
>>> >> >> > > > >> > >
>>> >> >> > > > >> > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Hammer
>>> > <bhmccie_at_gmail.com
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> > > > wrote:
>>> >> >> > > > >> > >
>>> >> >> > > > >> > >> OK, It's been a week. Did ANYONE pass the lab or
> hear
>>> of
>>> >> >> > > anyone
>>> >> >> > > > >> passing
>>> >> >> > > > >> > >> the
>>> >> >> > > > >> > >> first week? NO, I did not expect it. I was just
>>> curious.
>>> >> >> We've
>>> >> >> > > > >> certainly
>>> >> >> > > > >> > >> seen the comments from those that visited the
labs
> this
>>> >> >> week.
>>> >> >> > > > Nothing
>>> >> >> > > > >> in
>>> >> >> > > > >> > >> their comments made me feel good but we all know
> that
>>> >> Cisco
>>> >> >> > > > needs
>>> >> >> > > > >> some
>>> >> >> > > > >> > >> time
>>> >> >> > > > >> > >> to burn in the new setup.
>>> >> >> > > > >> > >>
>>> >> >> > > > >> > >> Back to BGP.....
>>> >> >> > > > >> > >>
>>> >> >> > > > >> > >> -Hammer
>>> >> >> > > > >> > >>
>>> >> >> > > > >> > >>
>>> >> >> > > > >> > >> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>> >> >> > > > >> > >>
>>> >> >> > > > >> > >>
>>> >> >> > > > >>
>>> >> >> > > >
>>> >> >> > >
>>> >> >>
>>> >
>
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