Re: CCIE R and S ver 4

Just about every question I've ever missed while taking a mock lab or
working with a workbook, I've been able to trace down to a single lack
of understanding (or a misunderstanding) of a fundamental topic, or that
topics impact on another protocol etc. When I took Narbik's bootcamp
last year that was the one thing that he worked hardest at driving
home. It's something he seemed very passionate about. Most of the guys
I study with spend tons of time memorizing or speed drilling entering
commands that they don't really stop to think about. The test is timed
so they think they have to shove stuff into the CLI at the speed of
light. Most have been taught to look for key words or catch phrases
which mean to do x or y config, rather than look at things and reason
things out.

I personally wanted to leap into the multi-protocol labs as fast as
possible. I mean how many times can you do frame relay labs (or rip, or
ospf, or bgp) before you want to leap out a window? But honestly how
many of us really take the time to look at all aspects of a given lab in
a critical fashion, an analytical or a forensic fashion. Anthony
Sequeira always says to take baby steps. Narbik says examine the
technology down to the individual hairs. This kind of preparation takes
discipline, more than most people have.

I think the point is clear. Foundation, Foundation, Foundation.

I mean if you understand OSPF. Really understand it, how it works, why
it works. What question can someone ask you about OSPF that you won't
be able to answer? If you spent 90% of your time memorizing OSPF
commands and working on reflex, then analytical questions will be brain
busters.

My dad always said it would take only a few minutes to teach a man how
to drive a nail into a piece of wood, but it could take a lifetime for
that man to learn where to drive that nail to get the right results.

Johnny B CCIE wrote:
> Narbik,
>
> Aren't people teaching the protocols now? Why aren't people passing
> yet? It should not matter if the test changes or not in this case. We
> are seeing something strange here. People have been taught the
> technologies or we like to think so and no one is passing. Are not
> enough people taking the test? Or are 90% of the technologies no
> longer sufficient to pass this exam? Do you have any of your students
> scheduled to take this lab Mister Narbik?
>
> AtlantaCCIE,
>
> Are all of these people monkeys who are failing the lab? Or are all of
> them poorly prepared and simply do not know the technologies? When
> will someone who is not a monkey pass?
>
> I actually read somewhere that they were teaching monkeys to erase the
> pod and re-write the config but maybe they copied and pasted too. Has
> anyone ever seen a monkey taking the lab when they were taking the
> lab? ;)
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> But Johnny,
>>
>> That way you will be teaching around the test, and this is a big problem. If
>> you teach the protocol, and i mean seriously teach 90 percent of each
>> protocol, your students will pass.
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Johnny B CCIE <jbccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If you are smart you take the lab several times before you are an
>>> instructor. ;)
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alexei,
>>>>
>>>> I had to or else my number would have expired. I think as an instructor
>>>> if
>>>> you keep retaking the lab or even the written, it could raise flags.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Jonny English
>>>> <redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> it means they failed the last attempt so they had to take it again if
>>>>> they
>>>>> want to pass
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Johnny B CCIE <jbccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> What does this say for people who take the lab more than once?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "You gotta have balls to retake a lab.."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Atlanta CCIE
>>>>>> <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You gotta have balls to retake a lab.. Question is what IF you
>>>>>>> fail?
>>>>>>> Will
>>>>>>> that mean now you are NOT a ccie? LOL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:21 AM, <sheherezada_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I suppose there is no rule for re-taking the lab once you have
>>>>>>>> passed
>>>>>>>> it because it does not serve any practical purpose. I am afraid
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> if one would do that, it would only catch Cisco's attention for
>>>>>>>> fraud
>>>>>>>> or something nasty. You can not just walk away and say "I just
>>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>>> to see your new lab".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course, I know that you guys were joking, but still...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mihai
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 31, 2009, Alexei Monastyrnyi
>>>>>>>> <alexeim73_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> one way to find out is to try :-) someone who has got a CCIE RS
>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> recently got recertified by RS written can just jump into his/her
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> "schedule
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a lab" page and try scheduling one. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I remember Narbik said he passed RS written exam some time ago.
>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "not possible to retake a lab" is kinda odd, it is possible to
>>>>>>>>> retake
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> written as many times as individual wants to (with a five-day
>>>>>>>> break
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> between
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> unsuccessful attempts or 180-day one if successful) :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Scott Morris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> While I technically haven't tried, I don't think it's possible
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> retake
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a lab you have already passed unless you do one of the beta
>>>>>>>>> labs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alexei Monastyrnyi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Technically, what would stop you from scheduling a lab after
>>>>>>>>> passing a
>>>>>>>>> written exam, even though the written one was for
>>>>>>>>> recertification
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> you already got your number? I believe nothing. It would look
>>>>>>>>> odd
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> still being a feasible act. :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ospfv2 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> can they do that without first let their ccie expired ? and lose
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> old number ?
>>>>>>>>> i dont think so
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/30/09, hopalong <ccieangel2_at_googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Scott, Brian, Brad, Andrew Bruce.....can't one of you guys sit a
>>>>>>>>> lab
>>>>>>>>> for us
>>>>>>>>> and tell us that all is actually OK in CCIE land?
>>>>>>>>>
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