Re: CCIE R and S ver 4

Why? We shouldn't be training people TO the exact exam anyway. I
like you guys and all, but I'm not losing my CCIE due to any NDA
problems. ;)

*Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,

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Jonny English wrote:
> don't you think this will cause alarm bells in cisco's eyes? a vendor
> sitting the exam
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> you take the name of vendors and every one is here to sell out...this time
>> we ask to appear... lets see who gotta balls :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have been saying that.. Scott is ready.. who else?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Agreed... if vendors can not pass then who their products can do the
>>>>> "Magic".
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Johnny B CCIE <jbccie_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Nadeem,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have a point. Each vendor should send their best man to the lab
>>>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>>>> prove that their product is adequate to help people study for and
>>>>>>
>> pass
>>
>>>>>> the new exam. If this no-pass continues they will either have to do
>>>>>> this or start their going out of business sale.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> if some one gota balls he should re-appear instead of making huge
>>>>>>>
>>>>> claims
>>>>>
>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who is going to attempt V4, having already numbers...
>>>>>>> Some one show courage :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Joe Astorino <
>>>>>>>
>> jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Guys if you think it is impossible and quit they have successfully
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> weeded
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you out. Many have said they failed but it was passable if you
>>>>>>>>
>> know
>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> bp.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My 2 cents
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
>>>>>>>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>>>>> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
>>>>>>>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>>>>>>>> Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: jose manzano <josermanzano_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:32:17
>>>>>>>> To: groupstudy<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: CCIE R and S ver 4
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There would be a study factor if it would be possible to pass the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> exam ,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> I have yet to read of anyone passing the new v4 lab.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cisco will modify the v4 lab if in the end they have put
>>>>>>>>
>> together
>>
>>>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>>> lab
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> exam with unrealistic & unachievable expectations.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I for one though do not like the route it's going as it's
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> starting to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> feel like all this time i've invested, and continue to invest
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> preparing
>>>>>
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> this one exam is in vane as it's nearly impossible to achieve now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then again we are only a few weeks into the new exam, so lets see
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> how
>>>>>
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> plays out in the next few months i guess.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Atlanta CCIE <
>>>>>>>>
>> atlantaccie_at_gmail.com
>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheaters don't care about that lol
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/2/09, Jonny English <redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> what about study factor?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> luck factor or F**K factor is prime issue of V4.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Jack <
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> ccie.unnumbered_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In consulting business, we keep asking the client what they
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> want
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> until
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> case is clear before we give advice.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some people mentioned that some troubleshooting tickets are
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> vague.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> doubt
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Howard at RTP is that helpful in explaining the tickets,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> based on
>>>>>
>>>>>> my
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience in V3. Last time when I was there, Howard left
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> early.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> His
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement/substitute was younger and much more polite,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> humble,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> modest,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> most of all, helpful. Thanks to the young gentleman, I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> able
>>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> clear
>>>>>>>>>>>> one sentence in a configuration question, and one
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> requirement
>>
>>>>>> which
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> said in the entire question set. Maybe it was mentioned in
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> preface,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was too sick that day to search any statements outside
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Howard could have answered, "this is basic knowledge
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> (common
>>
>>>>>>>> sense)"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "follow what the requirement says".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some mentioned that some troubleshooting tickets are not
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> specific
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> time and luck to pin down. Time and luck are the focus of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> V4, in
>>>>>
>>>>>> my
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> humble
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion based on the feedbacks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Terry Vinson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The old exam was centered around configuration, the new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> test
>>
>>>>> is
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> centered
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more around consulting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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