Re: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped

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On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Michael Jones <majonestx_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> I happen to find it quite oxymoronic that engineers complain about having
> to be an EXPERT to pass the cisco certified internetwork EXPERT.
>
> "Dude, you now have to know EVERYTHING on the blueprint"
>
> :)
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Justin Mitchell <jgmitchell_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Here is how core vs non-core topics have been explained to me by an
>> individual who should know:
>>
>> Core topics are those that are required to build universal connectivity.
>> Frame-relay, catalyst, RIP, EIGRP, OSPF, BGP and redistribution. This goes
>> through section 2 on the blueprint.
>>
>> Everything else is non-core. I admit there are a lot non-core topics I
>> consider useful to know especially sections 6 and 7.
>>
>> In addition to the regular R&S books I would recommend reading: Network
>> Security Architectures, Designing Network Security and Router Firewall
>> Security.
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Paul Cosgrove <
>> paul.cosgrove.groupstudy_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I doubt that is the intention. They expect you to know enough to be
>> able
>> > to get 80% of the marks, using the doc dvd or trying things and
>> > troubleshooting to finally get there if necessary. Personally I think
>> broad
>> > is good - provided the topics being covered are representative of what
>> > employers are looking for, or things that many candidates are likely to
>> need
>> > in their careers.
>> >
>> > As far as I know the blueprint did not previously designate topics as
>> > core/non core, or show their associated points values; however a general
>> > understanding developed amongst candidates based on the contents of
>> vendor
>> > practice labs (and perhaps candidates comments about the actual lab).
>> >
>> > So if someone previously (naively) prepared for the lab without buying
>> > workbooks or receiving good advice, they might have been disappointed
>> not to
>> > see much of particular blueprint topics they had studied thoroughly and
>> knew
>> > well. That may sound stupid but for my first attempt I studied almost
>> > entirely using the doc dvd and RFCs, thinking they would hold all the
>> > answers (so I had a rude awakening when I found out too late that they
>> did
>> > not). At the time I thought that workbooks were a shortcut, just
>> > summarising the doc dvd, and being younger and much more foolish, stayed
>> > away from them. There were many quirky configs in the lab which would
>> never
>> > been seen in a live network, and perhaps they are moving slightly away
>> from
>> > that with the more recent tests.
>> >
>> > To my mind the blueprint should be the authoritative source of the
>> > information, so if the v4 blueprint and balance of tested lab topics are
>> now
>> > more closely aligned, that sounds great. I also know from experience
>> though
>> > that it is difficult for candidates who enter the lab with very
>> different
>> > expectations, but you will be much better prepared the next time you go.
>> >
>> > Paul.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> How could anyone be a "Master" on every item in the blue print... It is
>> >> way
>> >> too broad...
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Christopher Copley
>> >> <copley.chris_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Narbik,
>> >> >
>> >> > I think you hit the nail right on the head! The new format will
>> really
>> >> > expose ANY weakness in a CCIE candidate. You really have to learn
>> every
>> >> > technology on the blue print and be an expert on them with out the
>> >> DocCD.
>> >> > Once you can do that you will be able to pass the V4 exam with no
>> >> problem.
>> >> > Just my 2 cents.
>> >> >
>> >> > Chris
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Narbik Kocharians <
>> narbikk_at_gmail.com
>> >> > >wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Guys,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I am sorry for the late reply, i am still waiting to get a flight
>> back
>> >> > > home.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > But mate you are ready when you can look at the blueprint and
>> answer
>> >> all
>> >> > of
>> >> > > your questions.
>> >> > > I am a very conservative person, I WILL NOT take the lab unless i
>> can
>> >> > > answer
>> >> > > all of my questions, for example, look at LDP and L3VPNs, can you
>> >> close
>> >> > > your
>> >> > > eyes and see the commands? Can you do a "?" in your head and see
>> all
>> >> the
>> >> > > options? Do you know what they are?
>> >> > > I DO NOT MEAN MEMORIZE, please do not get me wrong, you should
>> NEVER
>> >> > > memorize, the only reason you will see the commands and their
>> options
>> >> is
>> >> > > because you have configured them so many times its NOT funny. You
>> >> should
>> >> > > run
>> >> > > IOS in your head instead of what ever it is that you are running.
>> As
>> >> long
>> >> > > as
>> >> > > its NOT the 12.4(15)T11 on 3725s (JK).
>> >> > >
>> >> > > But do you guys see what i am saying? Go through the entire
>> blueprint
>> >> and
>> >> > > write down your weak areas, and hammer them out one by one, face
>> them
>> >> > head
>> >> > > on.
>> >> > > Sometimes to satisfy our conscience, we go out there and purchase
>> >> every
>> >> > > bloody book we can get our hands on, and i bet there are lot of us
>> >> that
>> >> > do
>> >> > > that. But have we read all of them? I bet NOT even 15 percent of
>> them.
>> >> > > When we read a hard or a complex documentation, we normally bypass
>> the
>> >> > > areas
>> >> > > that we do not understand, because we feel that if we don't
>> understand
>> >> > them
>> >> > > ITS PROBABLY NOT IMPORTANT, this is the philosophy that costs us
>> few
>> >> > > retries.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Evan Weston <
>> evan_weston_at_hotmail.com>
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > I'm a fan of booking a date a long way out and sticking to it, it
>> >> will
>> >> > > make
>> >> > > > you work as hard as you need to. Just keep addressing weaknesses
>> as
>> >> > they
>> >> > > > arise and hopefully you will peak on the week of the exam.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I booked my lab date 9 months ahead. Cancelled my social life,
>> >> booked
>> >> > > > Narbik's bootcamp for 4 months out and just went for it. Also do
>> >> what
>> >> > the
>> >> > > > trainers say, for example if Narbik says to get the most out of
>> his
>> >> > > > workbooks "go through them at least twice and once along side
>> with
>> >> the
>> >> > > > DocCD" then make a schedule and get it done. No point paying for
>> >> books
>> >> > if
>> >> > > > you don't use them the way the author says to. Same for INE mock
>> >> labs,
>> >> > > aim
>> >> > > > to do them in the time limit, take the same amount of time as the
>> >> real
>> >> > > lab,
>> >> > > > treat them seriously and don't be soft on marking yourself.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>> >> Behalf
>> >> > Of
>> >> > > > Pach
>> >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 3 November 2009 10:18 AM
>> >> > > > To: 'Justin Mitchell'; pocjamin_at_gmail.com
>> >> > > > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> >> > > > Subject: RE: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Those 70 days are going to come up on your fast. 'Specially with
>> the
>> >> > > > holidays coming up.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>> >> Behalf
>> >> > Of
>> >> > > > Justin Mitchell
>> >> > > > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 3:06 PM
>> >> > > > To: pocjamin_at_gmail.com
>> >> > > > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> >> > > > Subject: Re: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I've got 70 days: January 12, 2010 in San Jose.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 5:00 PM, BPoch <pocjamin_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > When are you taking your exam?
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>> >> Behalf
>> >> > > Of
>> >> > > > > Justin Mitchell
>> >> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 2:23 PM
>> >> > > > > To: Narbik Kocharians
>> >> > > > > Cc: Nathan Richie; larryh_at_ine.com; redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com;
>> >> > > > > ttuner_at_gmail.com; jbccie_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> >> > > > > Subject: Re: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Feeling 100% ready is a tricky thing. If I waited to feel 100%
>> >> ready
>> >> > to
>> >> > > > > take
>> >> > > > > the exam I doubt I would ever register and then would have
>> second
>> >> > > > thoughts
>> >> > > > > when I finally did register.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Everything I have heard from the CCIEs I work with is it is as
>> >> much a
>> >> > > > > mental
>> >> > > > > thing as anything else. To me it is just another test, albeit
>> an
>> >> > > > expensive
>> >> > > > > one with an airplane ride and some delicious food in San Jose.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Justin "ready to fail the exam" Mitchell
>> >> > > > > =)
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Narbik Kocharians <
>> >> narbikk_at_gmail.com
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > > wrote:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > > Nathan,
>> >> > > > > > Only you know if you are ready, if you are shoot, if you are
>> >> NOT,
>> >> > > ONLY
>> >> > > > > > register for the test when you are 100 percent ready.
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > my 2 cents.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
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