Re: Compelled to write regarding some CCIE candidates and their

Trust me he will do well.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Ahsan Mohiuddin
<ahsan.mohiuddin_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> Rum & Vodka is all he drinks, Beer is universal so definitely its in the
> play, and now you are telling us that he brews the finest Tequila. I think
> Hank should have, beside his ccie, another cert called CMMP (Certified
> Multinational Mobile Pub) !!
> Just Kidding mate.. i think u excel both at Networking & Brewery; I do not
> know if they mix well though ;)
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Mr. Yeomans,
>>
>> How are you my friend, long time.......Ladies/Gents....this guy has
>> the BEST tequila in the world and i mean the BEST.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Hank Yeomans <hank.yeomans_at_me.com> wrote:
>> > haha thats funny considering vodka and rum are all I drink. Just that
>> > beer
>> > is the universal drink word, i think.
>> >
>> >
>> > cheers/salud.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:31 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
>> >
>> >> Beers aren't really my type. Good vodka works well. And who says
>> >> I'm
>> >> not? ;)
>> >>
>> >> I'm doing a technical review for some wireless content. Yay! It's
>> >> hard
>> >> to bring myself to review anything for the DE when I still have no idea
>> >> what the results were for August, although I'm resigning myself to the
>> >> idea that not holding my breath was probably a good one! heheheheh.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Scott
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hank Yeomans wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Thank for the 2 cents Scott,
>> >>>
>> >>> I do remember which is why I choose what and how often I write
>> >>> carefully. Shouldn't you be into a few beers already on a Saturday
>> >>> night? Yes I should too, unfortunately brushing up for the DE exam
>> >>> coming up.....so no life as of yet. But someone has to!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:07 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Let me start by pointing out that I have no opinion whatsoever on the
>> >>>> Twitter drama.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In general, that's a well-written post although I'm not sure the
>> >>>> point
>> >>>> other than supporting your friend. Definitely a noble effort.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> However, one thing that you mention kinda jumps out at me:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word cheating can make
>> >>>> or
>> >>>> break your career. These days HR departments are watching your every
>> >>>> move to see if you are really what they want in their company. That
>> >>>> one
>> >>>> word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's forever."
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regardless of what word(s) someone may say about you (yes, some stick
>> >>>> more than others), has it not dawned on anyone that what is
>> >>>> posted/archived/copied/RSS'd/whatever'd on the Internet is
>> >>>> "forever"???
>> >>>> If an HR department is doing any sort of search about a person and
>> >>>> their
>> >>>> "personality" then it may simply not be about whether some other
>> >>>> random
>> >>>> person called them a cheater or not, but very much so on their own
>> >>>> demeanor and behavior online.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Now, I know that whole bit about casting the first stone, blah, blah,
>> >>>> blah... And I've been in my share of "entertaining discussions" over
>> >>>> time. But ya need to remember that even 8-10 years later, I can
>> >>>> still
>> >>>> find these discussions and get a sense for a personality or maturity
>> >>>> level. So I'm thinking that it's not just a single word like that
>> >>>> would really be the deciding factor of employment without any sense
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> proof.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Just my two cents,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
>> >>>> #4713,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>> >>>>
>> >>>> evil_at_ine.com
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Knowledge is power.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Power corrupts.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hank Yeomans wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Truth be told there aren't many things I feel compelled to write
>> >>>>> about
>> >>>>> on GS. While there is much value there is also and equal and
>> >>>>> sometimes greater amount of useless people and useless question
>> >>>>> instead of taking it upon ones self to do a little background work
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> research and then come forward with what I would consider a
>> >>>>> legitimate
>> >>>>> question/need for assistance. It is true that there are many things
>> >>>>> out there these days that devalue a CCIE. There are also forces at
>> >>>>> play like with anything else (analogous to a cable hot box that gets
>> >>>>> you all the channels that the cable company has to defeat only to
>> >>>>> find
>> >>>>> that someone found another loop hole).Issues like this have gone on
>> >>>>> since the beginning of time and will continue to do so and anyone
>> >>>>> who
>> >>>>> doesn't see it that way may be a little naive.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Having said that there's been some drama that has tricked on to the
>> >>>>> twitter-verse and yes I was a part of that too. I know the basic
>> >>>>> background of Darby Weaver, I've followed his adventures through
>> >>>>> failed attempts prospects of becoming a CCIE proctor and so on. On
>> >>>>> twitter it wasn't just one person (twitter.com/ipv6freely) who
>> >>>>> pointed
>> >>>>> out Darby's short comings we 'all' have. Basically every CCIE that
>> >>>>> currently posts to twitter. There are many of us there for both
>> >>>>> entertainment and serious knowledge sharing.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'd like to dispel the rumor that one of my great friends, who I
>> >>>>> personally know, Chris Jones aka on twitter IPv6Freely. It is
>> >>>>> unfortunate to that someone such as Darby with all of the clout that
>> >>>>> he thinks he has on GS needs to berate someone for their
>> >>>>> intelligence
>> >>>>> and success. I had read one time that Wendell Odom had taken the
>> >>>>> CCIE
>> >>>>> exam and pasted it after I do believe a few weeks of study. By
>> >>>>> today's standards Wendell would be considered a cheater because he
>> >>>>> knew what he was doing, he had industry experience and went in and
>> >>>>> passed his test. Personally knowing Chris and having played a role
>> >>>>> in
>> >>>>> his mentoring, which included pushing him to go for the prize every
>> >>>>> day, along with the training materials he was already working
>> >>>>> through
>> >>>>> I can tell you that Chris is one of those intelligent people who
>> >>>>> doesn't have to bother cheating or event thinking about it.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> One of the great people in this space who I admire (Narbik) once
>> >>>>> said
>> >>>>> that the CCIE is so easy its hard. Think about that because there
>> >>>>> is
>> >>>>> truth to it. It took me three attempts to pass my exam and I know
>> >>>>> exactly why It took me three attempts. I didnt fully read the
>> >>>>> question put before me before making my choice on the solution. The
>> >>>>> result was correct answers popping in my head after the fact, after
>> >>>>> I
>> >>>>> had take the time to think about it. Some people like Chris don't
>> >>>>> have that problem and pass their exam on the first attempt. It
>> >>>>> isn't
>> >>>>> as if he is the only person in the world who's passed their CCIE on
>> >>>>> the first attempt either.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> What bothers many of us (and I am presumptuously speaking for people
>> >>>>> here) is that we see some who bloat themselves up with greater
>> >>>>> importance that is needed when they should humble themselves, put
>> >>>>> their nose in it and get the prize. When Darby made it to twitter
>> >>>>> most of 'us' heard on a daily basis the rantings of a person who was
>> >>>>> about to take their test, finally the person who tried telling
>> >>>>> others
>> >>>>> how to pass the CCIE was going to try to pass the CCIE himself. The
>> >>>>> result was, I lost my wallet and I couldn't take the CCIE exam.
>> >>>>> While
>> >>>>> true, given the past it seems unlikely to many that this happened,
>> >>>>> that what followed was rantings that made everyone confused, did he
>> >>>>> take it and not pass, and then rantings of I'm gonna be a CCIE
>> >>>>> proctor.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ok, I realize that we all should be worried about only one person,
>> >>>>> Ourselves. I am guilty of this and many others are for not
>> >>>>> following
>> >>>>> that advise. If all sides did that there would be much less
>> >>>>> problems.
>> >>>>> What isn't fair even beyond the supposed stalking is to accuse
>> >>>>> someone
>> >>>>> of cheating. Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word
>> >>>>> cheating can make or break your career. These days HR departments
>> >>>>> are
>> >>>>> watching your every move to see if you are really what they want in
>> >>>>> their company. That one word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's
>> >>>>> for
>> >>>>> ever.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'd like to point out for those who don't know twitter, it is
>> >>>>> exactly
>> >>>>> like stalking, everyone follows everyone else. If you follow
>> >>>>> someone
>> >>>>> the intended operation of twitter puts everything that all of the
>> >>>>> people you follow say in your timeline. That timeline is also
>> >>>>> public
>> >>>>> domain searchable via any search engine. Until you are blocked from
>> >>>>> following a person you are essentially stalking said person or
>> >>>>> people. I stalk 1300~ people, and around 1100~ people stalk me back
>> >>>>> and see every word I say.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I wish the best for those attempting the CCIE, even though you drive
>> >>>>> me insane, you too Darby. Like the rest of us however, you need to
>> >>>>> humble yourself, pass the test and then reap the rewards of such an
>> >>>>> accomplishment.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best regards to all,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ---
>> >>>>> Hank Yeomans
>> >>>>> CCIE No. 21174
>> >>>>> Cell: (619) 721-3003
>> >>>>> hank.yeomans_at_me.com
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
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>> >>> CCIE No. 21174
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>> > CCIE No. 21174
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