Re: R&S v4.0 Points

   "If anyone is wavering over taking the lab as a result of hearing this,
then
Id suggest they need to re-evaluate their reasons for preparing for the
lab."

     The only reason is to pass.. as it is for you , and everyone else.

      Look , do you honestly enjoy spending countless hours away from your
family & friends plugging away at a cli and seeing months/years pass you
by. I personally don't but do it willingly since I know it will benefit me
and my family in the future once I pass the exam. Now, make the exam nearly
impossible to pass and guess what, i start rethinking my investment , as do
alot of people.

     BTW , I just love the how people post that the exam is passable....but
yet no one to date has posted that they passed the new format.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Roy Waterman <roy.waterman_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> I think it is "pointless" for those of us who are to be taking version 4 to
> be concerned over a matter like this.
> Nothing we can do about it anyway.
> This personally doesnt bother me, & I hope it doesnt bother any other
> candidates preparing for v4.
> I'm not going to suddenly throw my toys outta the pram, and give up.
> Too much time has been invested to do that :)
>
> Just do it, as Nike says.
>
> If anyone is wavering over taking the lab as a result of hearing this, then
> Id suggest they need to re-evaluate their reasons for preparing for the
> lab.
>
> 2009/12/4 Tony Varriale <tvarriale_at_flamboyaninc.com>
>
> > They did everyone a huge disservice moving to smaller point questions
> > (instead of 4-6 pointers). Now, they move to 10 pointers?
> >
> > Not sure why they keep missing the mark. It was fine before the move to
> > 2-3
> > point questions.
> >
> > tv
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Joe
> > Astorino
> > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:05 PM
> > To: Anthony Sequeira
> > Cc: Dark Fiber; Rodrigo Gutierrez (NSN - CO/Bogota); Cisco certification;
> > ron wilkerson; jose manzano
> > Subject: Re: R&S v4.0 Points
> >
> > Cool, Cool...having spoken to this student, he agrees with your statement
> > as
> > well that there should be no HUGE tasks whereby if you fail a single tiny
> > subtask you basically fail the exam.
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Sounds awesome Joe - I was not snipping of course, just commenting on
> > what
> > > I thought I read.
> > >
> > > On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:54 PM, Joe Astorino wrote:
> > >
> > > Anthony,
> > >
> > > I wasn't saying there ARE 10+ point tasks, it was strictly an EXAMPLE
> to
> > > make the point of my question. With that being said, I have HEARD of
> > > sections being worth quite a bit more than that. I cannot however
> > confirm
> > > that. If the max. points for a task is 4 points then that is fine and
> > quite
> > > a bit more on track to what I would expect.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> A Masters Degree gets you nothing!
> > >>
> > >> Just kidding!
> > >>
> > >> Here is the deal - you do not have to perfect to achieve the cert in
> > this
> > >> format. To review....
> > >>
> > >> You may miss one of four Core Knowledge questions.
> > >>
> > >> You may miss 20% of the Trouble Tickets.
> > >>
> > >> You may miss 20% of the Configuration tasks.
> > >>
> > >> As our own Petr L. pointed out here in GS some time ago - this is a
> > >> tougher format. But, while tougher, it does not require perfection,
> and
> > it
> > >> is passable. You will see the passing score reports begin this month I
> > am
> > >> willing to bet.
> > >>
> > >> :-)
> > >>
> > >> Warmest Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
> > >> Senior CCIE Instructor
> > >> http://www.INE.com
> > >>
> > >> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > >> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > >> Outside US: 775-826-4344
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:30 PM, Dark Fiber wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Whether it is 4 or 10 points it is still all or nothing for the
> whole
> > >> section. That seems a little intense...
> > >> >
> > >> > Maybe it is just time to revisit the masters degree and forget about
> > all
> > >> this :). Having to be perfect for a certification just does not seem
> > that
> > >> time in equals what you get out of it...
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: "Anthony Sequeira" <asequeira_at_ine.com>
> > >> > To: "Dark Fiber" <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>
> > >> > Cc: "Rodrigo Gutierrez (NSN - CO/Bogota)" <
> rodrigo.gutierrez_at_nsn.com
> > >,
> > >> "Cisco certification" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>, "ron wilkerson" <
> > >> ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com>, "jose manzano" <josermanzano_at_gmail.com>
> > >> > Sent: Friday, December 4, 2009 3:09:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
> Eastern
> > >> > Subject: Re: R&S v4.0 Points
> > >> >
> > >> > Be calm GS. The original post had a pretty big error. There are no
> 10
> > >> point tasks in the new lab!
> > >> >
> > >> > It is true that what may have been several independent tasks before
> > may
> > >> be combined, but 4 points is the maximum someone should still expect
> per
> > >> task.
> > >> >
> > >> > Warmest Regards,
> > >> >
> > >> > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
> > >> > Senior CCIE Instructor
> > >> > http://www.INE.com
> > >> >
> > >> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > >> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > >> > Outside US: 775-826-4344
> > >> >
> > >> > On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Dark Fiber wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> If this is true I am not even going to bother to retake my lab...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If you need to be perfect for the "whole" section that is absurd...
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> From: "Rodrigo Gutierrez (NSN - CO/Bogota)" <
> > rodrigo.gutierrez_at_nsn.com
> > >> >
> > >> >> To: "ron wilkerson" <ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com>, "jose manzano" <
> > >> josermanzano_at_gmail.com>
> > >> >> Cc: "Cisco certification" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > >> >> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2009 2:25:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
> > Eastern
> > >> >> Subject: RE: R&S v4.0 Points
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If that's the way then it sucks !!!!!! That means the candidates
> that
> > >> go
> > >> >> for the exam gotta to be almost perfect 2 dummy answers in any
> giving
> > >> >> section will make him fail the exam..
> > >> >>
> > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> > >> Of
> > >> >> ext ron wilkerson
> > >> >> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:17 PM
> > >> >> To: jose manzano
> > >> >> Cc: Cisco certification
> > >> >> Subject: Re: R&S v4.0 Points
> > >> >>
> > >> >> if this is true, might explain why so few have been passing as of
> > late.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:54 PM, jose manzano <
> josermanzano_at_gmail.com
> > >
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> Ditto .... I've read more than one review that stated the same
> ....
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> When you take into consideration how certain tasks/sections can
> > >> >>> indirectly effect tasks in other sections.....you could be looking
> > to
> > >> >> fail
> > >> >>> multiple sections just by missing a single task.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> The scoring sucks..... plain and simple
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Larry Hadrava <
> > larryh12203_at_gmail.com>
> > >> >>> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> Joe:
> > >> >>>> I have heard this from a couple of folks as well.
> > >> >>>> --
> > >> >>>> Thanks
> > >> >>>> Larry Hadrava
> > >> >>>> CCIE #12203
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> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Joe Astorino
> > >> >> <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
> > >> >>>> wrote:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>> I don't know if this has been confirmed by anybody, but I have a
> > >> >>> student
> > >> >>>>> this week that has taken the v4.0 lab exam and has told us that
> > >> >> the
> > >> >>>>> sections
> > >> >>>>> are no longer broken into sub-tasks with points. For instance,
> in
> > >> >> v3.0
> > >> >>>> we
> > >> >>>>> had for example:
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> BGP section 4 (10 points)
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Task 4.1 (3 points)
> > >> >>>>> Task 4.2 (3 points)
> > >> >>>>> Task 4.3 (2 points)
> > >> >>>>> Task 4.4 (2 points)
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> According to this individual, he was only give a general "BGP --
> > >> >> 10
> > >> >>>> points"
> > >> >>>>> as an example. I thought that sounded pretty harsh -- You get
> 10
> > >> >> or
> > >> >>>>> nothing? Can anybody confirm this?
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> --
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> > >> >>>>>
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