Re: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.

This reminds me of the MS lawsuits in Europe

This is not fair for anyone, no matter how you train you have to pass the
same exam.

Is it not fair for the "uber-elite-360-"students" and is certainly not fair
for the other students.

For the 360 students if they are honest they know they didn't pass the same
test.

The others knows that the 360 have been given a special handicapped pass.

It is strictly marketing, trying to justify it is pure BS.

To the non 360 vendors keep up the good work and let's see the flow of
success stories

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Tannie Philly <tanniephilly_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> In my own opinion this is strong POLITICS.
> All other CCIE training vendors should do a protest to Cisco for
> this SEGRAGATED DECISION.
> I believe if they do . . . and if Cisco is customer savvy they might have
> a re-think, in other to have a plain level ground for ALL.
> But if they keep-quite that will be it.
>
> Tannie.
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Bodnar, Edward
> <Edward.Bodnar_at_unisys.com>wrote:
>
> > That cant be true.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Mad_Prof Mad_Prof
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:29 AM
> > To: Brad Ellis
> > Cc: Travis Niedens; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.
> >
> > Brad,
> >
> >
> > Can you explain why 360 customers need a break on the OEQs while every
> else
> > is tested on it ?
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> > Karar
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I am a pilot, so I'd probably just fly myself. But if I had to pick
> one,
> > > I'd pick the one who'd make it there without any required NTSB reports
> > > or insurance claims!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Becoming a good pilot is something that comes from experience - similar
> > > to a CCIE. The more situations you've encountered and "lived to tell
> > > about it" the better of a pilot you become - learning from the
> situation
> > > and any potential mistakes you made. Granted, having a router or switch
> > > go down on you is nothing like taking a direct hit by lightning in a
> > > small single engine airplane IMC at 10,000ft MSL, 3,000ft AGL and then
> > > instruments catching on fire! (that'll get your blood pumpin!)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My feeling is, the OEQ Waiver program is just a part of the Cisco 360
> > > program. I believe the test itself isn't changing. In my opinion, core
> > > knowledge is simply being validated by an authorized training program
> > > and an authorized training instructor. The waiver has to be approved by
> > > the instructor. For our Cisco 360 students: if you don't participate in
> > > the class, you don't do your labs, etc, then the Cisco 360 instructor
> > > isn't going to validate your core knowledge and he/she will NOT issue
> > > you a waiver. The student has to EARN the waiver - heck, I'm a dual
> > > CCIE, I want my CCIE to be as industry valid as the day I got it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The CCIE certification has changed throughout the years, and will
> > > continue to do so. I'm sure more changes will be coming (technical or
> > > administrative), more CCIE tracks added, etc. It's an ever-evolving
> > > program.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > Brad Ellis
> > >
> > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > >
> > > CCSI# 30482
> > >
> > > CEO / President
> > >
> > > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
> > >
> > > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> > >
> > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > >
> > > International: +1-702-968-5100
> > >
> > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> > >
> > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > >
> > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > >
> > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> > > <http://www.ccbootcamp.com/>
> > >
> > > OEQ Voice Waiver: http://www.ccbootcamp.com/noeqvoice.html
> > >
> > > Qualify for an OEQ R&S Waiver: http://www.ccbootcamp.com/noeqrs.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Travis Niedens [mailto:niedentj_at_hotmail.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:43 PM
> > > To: Brad Ellis; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Now, the question is, which pilot would you rather fly with ?
> > >
> > > > Subject: RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.
> > > > Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:36:19 -0700
> > > > From: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> > > > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > >
> > > > Compare the OEQ Waiver program to the different ways of obtaining
> your
> > > > pilot's license, Part 61 vs. Part 141 (and I'll save you the google:
> > > > http://www.m0a.com/learning-fly-part-61-141/ )
> > > >
> > > > With Part 61, it's a less structured and controlled approach with an
> > > FAA
> > > > examiner "check ride" at the end. With Part 141 it has more "checks
> > > and
> > > > balances" throughout the training program in which you are validated
> > > at
> > > > each step of the process. The curriculum is much more regulated and
> > > much
> > > > more well defined. When you finish the program, you have your pilot's
> > > > license (after an in-house final check). The FAA finds that both of
> > > > these methods are effective for pilot's obtaining their license.
> > > >
> > > > By Cisco offering this waiver program, it would appear similar to
> Part
> > > > 141 - validate student's core knowledge during the study process.
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > > Brad Ellis
> > > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > > > CCSI# 30482
> > > > CEO / President
> > > > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
> > > > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> > > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > > > International: +1-702-968-5100
> > > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> > > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> > > > Qualify for an OEQ Voice Waiver:
> > > > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/noeqvoice.html
> > > > Qualify for an OEQ R&S Waiver: http://www.ccbootcamp.com/noeqrs.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: itguy.pro_at_gmail.com [mailto:itguy.pro_at_gmail.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:07 PM
> > > > To: Steve Di Bias; JB
> > > > Cc: Joe Astorino; Marko Milivojevic; Brad Ellis;
> > > ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: Re: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.
> > > >
> > > > Brad,
> > > >
> > > > On a serious note: what were you smoking when you suggested this
> > > asinine
> > > > idea to cisco? And what were they on when you were explaining it?
> What
> > > > did they say? Omfg, what a brilliant idea, why didn't we think of
> this
> > > > before to screw potential CCIEs in the butt with both hands on
> > > shoulder?
> > > >
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