Re: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.

Seriously... all you 360 vendors that are raving about it and think this is
a good idea... you should be ashamed.

It goes against EVERYSINGLETHING we always supported here in GS... The
bottom line here is: Students can buy 20-something points out of their Lab.

How different is that from buying a Testking or a Lab dump? So now we get to
flame and scathe not only the idiots that come here asking for a testking,
but also the kids that bought their IEs?

This makes me feel like not renewing mine next time... already proved what I
needed to prove (and that was for myself).

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Jones
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:44 AM
> To: 'Scott Morris'; 'Narbik Kocharians'
> Cc: 'Shaughn Smith'; 'Rob Phillips'; 'Brad Ellis'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.
>
> What's your opinion on this Scott?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:03 AM
> To: Narbik Kocharians
> Cc: Shaughn Smith; Rob Phillips; Brad Ellis; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.
>
> May I take that as an official position from a Cisco 360 Learning
> Partner?
>
> Scott
>
> Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>
> You guys can bypass the OEQs by attending a 360 program, we have added
> bunch
> of stuff to the 360 program, and if the students complete the labs they
> can
> bypass the OEQs. I think its NOT bad, since they know whats going to be
> covered in these classes. Our students go through the 360 material + all
> the
> materials that we have added to the program as supplemental materials
> (roughly around 3500 + pages), and if anyone goes through this program,
> they
> can BYPASS the OEQ section.
>
> But why fight it? It's NOT that you will get anywhere, we saw a
> similar fight and bitterness when they introduced the OEQs, now they are
> giving the students a chance NOT to do the OEQs.
>
> Before OEQs everyone was complaining about the pass4sures and stuff llike
> that, so they added the OEQs, then, everyone started complaining about the
> OEQs, NOW they are giving the students a chance NOT to go through the
> OEQs,
> now some are still complaining.
>
> Don't let things like this poison your blood, just go with the flow,
> specially when you have NO other option.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Shaughn Smith <maniac.smg_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Couldn't have worded it better myself. As a qualified Commercial pilot I
> know where you are coming from. I am also truly disappointed at Cisco's
> decision on this.
>
> CCIE # 23962
>
> On Mar 16, 2010 3:26 PM, "Rob Phillips" <rrphillips_at_swankav.com>
> wrote:
>
> Brad,
>
> I am a Pilot who did his training in a 141 school from Private all the
> way through my Commercial, Instrument, Multi-engine. The one thing you
> forgot or just never looked into is that at the end of the training
> EVERYONE still must pass their checkride with an examiner who should be
> using 1 set of guidelines. The checkride as published guidelines that
> EVERYONE must meet no matter if you are part 61 or 141. When I took my
> Multi-engine ride my 141 had lost their examiner so the final ride was
> done by an outside source. That ride was no different than any other
> ride. The examiner as me several oral questions before walking out to
> the plan (OEQ), During the flight he simulated emergencies
> (Troubleshooting) and I had to fly meeting other standards of regular
> flight in different configurations (config section).
>
> I believe the 141 as compared to part 61 is more structured, however it
> all comes down to the checkride. You publish ONE and only ONE standard.
> Everyone must meet that same standard. If you know a flight school
> that has an examiner who skips this practice then please let me know. I
> will gladly report them to the FAA. I do not want to share the skies
> with someone who learned something just long enough to make it past a
> section of an approved course. I want to fly with guys who LEARNED it
> so that they remember for a lifetime instead of just a few weeks.
>
> I agree with many others on this list. If you know it then you should
> be fine with the OEQ. How long does it really take to answer 4
> questions that are just a few words long. If Cisco thinks that this is
> a plus to a student then they should sit back and look at the whole idea
> of OEQ. Why would that be a plus? Is Cisco admitting that some of the
> OEQ are just plain bad that by having a student go the 360 route then
> they don't have to play the "how hard of a OEQ" lottery?
>
> To sum it up, I feel very disappointed with Cisco that they would ever
> have two different standard when it comes to the lab exam. I know I
> will feel proud when I get my numbers that I did to the HIGHEST
> standard.
>
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