Re: NO MAIL ON Group study

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On 27 Oct 2010, at 9:28 AM, Gaurav Thukral <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for DDoS attack
>
> Regards,
> Gaurav
>
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Gaurav Thukral <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I am Waiting for more punches.? Will left this mailer soon.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Gaurav
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Hoogen <hoogen82_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And.. do not demean the efforts put in by Cisco employee to obtain their
>>> CCIE... The effort required is still enormous...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Hoogen <hoogen82_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just to add on the contrary it is has far more inexpensive to obtain a
>>>> CCIE. Dynamips for sure helps people who want to get their R/S or SP... I
>>>> have seen people being able to do a significant portion of the
>>>> Voice/Security labs on emulators too...
>>>>
>>>> You do not always have to think about getting a workbook, make your own
>>>> topologies. Anthony did some really good stuff for the SP folks... There is
>>>> so much more material available these days. It all boils down to how much
>>>> effort you are willing to put in... Spending 40K on training is not going to
>>>> get you a CCIE unless you put in the effort.
>>>>
>>>> Groupstudy in my opinion has been the ultimate resource with all so many
>>>> good people helping here... So make use of it... You won't be able to afford
>>>> their consulting fees anyway.... and here they spend their time answering
>>>> and encouraging you... all at no cost...
>>>>
>>>> Stop worrying about Cisco... Worry about yourself...
>>>>
>>>> -Hoogen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> In some countries the promotion after getting your CCIE is NOT 5K, in
>>>>> some
>>>>> places the salary is NOT far from 5- 10K per year. But you know what i
>>>>> know
>>>>> people that live in some of these countries and they always find a way
>>>>> and
>>>>> become VERY successful.
>>>>>
>>>>> But is it expensive? YES. No doubt.
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr) <
>>>>> rrouttjr_at_cisco.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No one is trying to fight you on this. We are just trying to help.
>>>>> Fact
>>>>>> is, people who really want to do this will find a way no matter the
>>>>> cost
>>>>>> like they have in the past.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -R
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Gaurav Thukral [mailto:pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com]
>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:26 AM
>>>>>> *To:* Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr)
>>>>>> *Cc:* Narbik Kocharians; Group study
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: NO MAIL ON Group study
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guys
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i do not wanna fight guys . The point I am trying to make is that it
>>>>> is
>>>>>> expensive now nothing more than that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Gaurav
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr) <
>>>>>> rrouttjr_at_cisco.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I spent around $5k last year on my own training, lab attempt, lunch in
>>>>>> San Jose, etc..My earnings have not gone anywhere.(obviously right!) I
>>>>>> spent over $40k on a Bachelor's degree. Since I have obtained my BD,
>>>>> my
>>>>>> earnings have kept up w/inflation, that is about it. Not sure that the
>>>>>> degree has had anything to do with that since my degree is not related
>>>>>> to what I do. The point I am trying to make is that it is an
>>>>> investment,
>>>>>> but the ability to recover the investment is much shorter than my
>>>>>> student loans will be. I would bet CCIE investment will pay dividends
>>>>>> that are much more lucrative and longer-lasting if you stay in IT. I
>>>>>> think Narbik has a good point and I believe most folks whom have spent
>>>>>> their own money would too. You have to pay to play to some extent.
>>>>> Maybe
>>>>>> look @ CCIE vs. CCA for cost justification if that would help :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -R
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Narbik Kocharians
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:09 AM
>>>>>> To: Gaurav Thukral
>>>>>> Cc: Group study
>>>>>> Subject: Re: NO MAIL ON Group study
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, it depends on your approach, the process should NOT cost you
>>>>> more
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> 5400 dollars, and that is with 2 tries. and you typically get that
>>>>> back
>>>>>> within the first year or two and then some (In MOST of the cases). So
>>>>> is
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> expensive? YES, is it worth it? Heck yeh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Gaurav Thukral
>>>>>> <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree Narbik. It is very expensive. Everybody can not afford it
>>>>> and
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> is true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Gaurav
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Narbik Kocharians
>>>>>> <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately the tracks or certificates that are worth focusing on
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> the expensive ones. But one way to look at it is the fact that you
>>>>> do
>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>> more money, and it's no longer a win win situation, it's a win win
>>>>>> win
>>>>>>>> situations for all three parties (You, Your firm and Cisco).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Gaurav Thukral
>>>>>> <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doing a CCIE with your OWN money or if u r employer will pay for
>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> ....difference a lot
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Gaurav
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, GAURAV MADAN <
>>>>>>>>> gauravmadan1177_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Again .. its the perspective how you look at it ..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If by *normal person* you mean someone who has not previously
>>>>>> worked
>>>>>>>>>> on these platforms and he/she want to do this kind of
>>>>>> ceritfication ?
>>>>>>>>>> If thats the case ... I will not second the idea ... simply
>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>> you will not be advocate the solutions / real life deployments
>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>> these products .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gaurav Madan
>>>>>>>>>> CCIE # 23863
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Gaurav Thukral
>>>>>> <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have no problem with hardware / architecture . I worked in
>>>>>> CISCO as
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> NCE
>>>>>>>>>>> and also worked on a very large networks. Logic behind the
>>>>> mail
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>>> normal person it is tough to afford CCIE SP & IOS-XR will not
>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> easily
>>>>>>>>>>> available.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Gaurav
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Gaurav Thukral <
>>>>>>>>> pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now it will become very costly dear. .......If u r a Cisco
>>>>>> Employee
>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>> it is ok for you. Becoz u have free 3 attempts & 5 with
>>>>> Manager
>>>>>>>>>> approval.
>>>>>>>>>>>> For a normal person it is very tough to afford. My thoughts
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> clear
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>> CCIE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gaurav
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:34 PM, GAURAV MADAN <
>>>>>>>>>> gauravmadan1177_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gaurav ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a bold statement and a statement at which most will
>>>>>> laugh
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diff. people have diff. views of CCIE as a certification .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But when Cisco say that you are a CCIE .. that means you are
>>>>>> expert
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> technology as well as product and you can handle related
>>>>> stuff
>>>>>> . So
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you say that you are leaving race just because of new
>>>>> hardware
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> lab
>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. the fact is you shd first get the feel of hardware /
>>>>>>>>> architecture
>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc before you jump on CCIE lab . Just think why Cisco is
>>>>>>>>> introducing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new hardware in lab .. does Cisco has some personal rivalry
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?? No .. that's because Cisco see a market going in that
>>>>>> direction
>>>>>>>>> ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So better clear you view abt CCIE :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gaurav Madan
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CCIE # 23863
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Gaurav Thukral <
>>>>>>>>> pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think people stopped studying CISCO . There are no mails
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groupstudy or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they solved all the troubleshooting tickets?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have seen the new CCIE SP blueprint. I think very few
>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. CISCO will not be able to generate so much revenue
>>>>> from
>>>>>> CCIE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Certifications further.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gaurav
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Narbik Kocharians
>>>>>>>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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