Re: NO MAIL ON Group study

It must have been tricky, two-days-long lab exam with cabling and stuff.
Would be great to hear that from a person who passed CCIE in early 200x

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Vitali Aivazov
<vitali.aivazov_at_gmail.com>wrote:

>
> It must have been tricky, two-days-long lab exam with cabling and stuff.
> Would be great to hear that from a person who passed CCIE in early 200x
>
>
>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Shaughn Smith <maniac.smg_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> No one is throwing punches. We are just giving you our opinions.
>>>
>>> CCIE # 23962 (SP)
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone 4
>>>
>>> On 27 Oct 2010, at 9:28 AM, Gaurav Thukral <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Thanks for DDoS attack
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Gaurav
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Gaurav Thukral <
>>> pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I am Waiting for more punches.? Will left this mailer soon.
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >> Gaurav
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Hoogen <hoogen82_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> And.. do not demean the efforts put in by Cisco employee to obtain
>>> their
>>> >>> CCIE... The effort required is still enormous...
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Hoogen <hoogen82_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Just to add on the contrary it is has far more inexpensive to obtain
>>> a
>>> >>>> CCIE. Dynamips for sure helps people who want to get their R/S or
>>> SP... I
>>> >>>> have seen people being able to do a significant portion of the
>>> >>>> Voice/Security labs on emulators too...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> You do not always have to think about getting a workbook, make your
>>> own
>>> >>>> topologies. Anthony did some really good stuff for the SP folks...
>>> There is
>>> >>>> so much more material available these days. It all boils down to how
>>> much
>>> >>>> effort you are willing to put in... Spending 40K on training is not
>>> going to
>>> >>>> get you a CCIE unless you put in the effort.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Groupstudy in my opinion has been the ultimate resource with all so
>>> many
>>> >>>> good people helping here... So make use of it... You won't be able
>>> to afford
>>> >>>> their consulting fees anyway.... and here they spend their time
>>> answering
>>> >>>> and encouraging you... all at no cost...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Stop worrying about Cisco... Worry about yourself...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> -Hoogen
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Narbik Kocharians <
>>> narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Guys,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> In some countries the promotion after getting your CCIE is NOT 5K,
>>> in
>>> >>>>> some
>>> >>>>> places the salary is NOT far from 5- 10K per year. But you know
>>> what i
>>> >>>>> know
>>> >>>>> people that live in some of these countries and they always find a
>>> way
>>> >>>>> and
>>> >>>>> become VERY successful.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> But is it expensive? YES. No doubt.
>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr) <
>>> >>>>> rrouttjr_at_cisco.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> No one is trying to fight you on this. We are just trying to help.
>>> >>>>> Fact
>>> >>>>>> is, people who really want to do this will find a way no matter
>>> the
>>> >>>>> cost
>>> >>>>>> like they have in the past.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> -R
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> *From:* Gaurav Thukral [mailto:pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com]
>>> >>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:26 AM
>>> >>>>>> *To:* Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr)
>>> >>>>>> *Cc:* Narbik Kocharians; Group study
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: NO MAIL ON Group study
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Guys
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> i do not wanna fight guys . The point I am trying to make is that
>>> it
>>> >>>>> is
>>> >>>>>> expensive now nothing more than that.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Regards,
>>> >>>>>> Gaurav
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr) <
>>> >>>>>> rrouttjr_at_cisco.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I spent around $5k last year on my own training, lab attempt,
>>> lunch in
>>> >>>>>> San Jose, etc..My earnings have not gone anywhere.(obviously
>>> right!) I
>>> >>>>>> spent over $40k on a Bachelor's degree. Since I have obtained my
>>> BD,
>>> >>>>> my
>>> >>>>>> earnings have kept up w/inflation, that is about it. Not sure that
>>> the
>>> >>>>>> degree has had anything to do with that since my degree is not
>>> related
>>> >>>>>> to what I do. The point I am trying to make is that it is an
>>> >>>>> investment,
>>> >>>>>> but the ability to recover the investment is much shorter than my
>>> >>>>>> student loans will be. I would bet CCIE investment will pay
>>> dividends
>>> >>>>>> that are much more lucrative and longer-lasting if you stay in IT.
>>> I
>>> >>>>>> think Narbik has a good point and I believe most folks whom have
>>> spent
>>> >>>>>> their own money would too. You have to pay to play to some extent.
>>> >>>>> Maybe
>>> >>>>>> look @ CCIE vs. CCA for cost justification if that would help :)
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> -R
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> >>>>> Of
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Narbik Kocharians
>>> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:09 AM
>>> >>>>>> To: Gaurav Thukral
>>> >>>>>> Cc: Group study
>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: NO MAIL ON Group study
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Well, it depends on your approach, the process should NOT cost you
>>> >>>>> more
>>> >>>>>> than
>>> >>>>>> 5400 dollars, and that is with 2 tries. and you typically get that
>>> >>>>> back
>>> >>>>>> within the first year or two and then some (In MOST of the cases).
>>> So
>>> >>>>> is
>>> >>>>>> it
>>> >>>>>> expensive? YES, is it worth it? Heck yeh.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Gaurav Thukral
>>> >>>>>> <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> I agree Narbik. It is very expensive. Everybody can not afford it
>>> >>>>> and
>>> >>>>>> that
>>> >>>>>>> is true.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Regards,
>>> >>>>>>> Gaurav
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Narbik Kocharians
>>> >>>>>> <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Unfortunately the tracks or certificates that are worth focusing
>>> on
>>> >>>>>> are
>>> >>>>>>>> the expensive ones. But one way to look at it is the fact that
>>> you
>>> >>>>> do
>>> >>>>>> make
>>> >>>>>>>> more money, and it's no longer a win win situation, it's a win
>>> win
>>> >>>>>> win
>>> >>>>>>>> situations for all three parties (You, Your firm and Cisco).
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Gaurav Thukral
>>> >>>>>> <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Doing a CCIE with your OWN money or if u r employer will pay
>>> for
>>> >>>>> it
>>> >>>>>>>>> ....difference a lot
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>> >>>>>>>>> Gaurav
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, GAURAV MADAN <
>>> >>>>>>>>> gauravmadan1177_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Again .. its the perspective how you look at it ..
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> If by *normal person* you mean someone who has not previously
>>> >>>>>> worked
>>> >>>>>>>>>> on these platforms and he/she want to do this kind of
>>> >>>>>> ceritfication ?
>>> >>>>>>>>>> If thats the case ... I will not second the idea ... simply
>>> >>>>>> because
>>> >>>>>>>>>> you will not be advocate the solutions / real life deployments
>>> >>>>>> using
>>> >>>>>>>>>> these products .
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gaurav Madan
>>> >>>>>>>>>> CCIE # 23863
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Gaurav Thukral
>>> >>>>>> <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have no problem with hardware / architecture . I worked in
>>> >>>>>> CISCO as
>>> >>>>>>>>> a
>>> >>>>>>>>>> NCE
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> and also worked on a very large networks. Logic behind the
>>> >>>>> mail
>>> >>>>>> was
>>> >>>>>>>>> for a
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> normal person it is tough to afford CCIE SP & IOS-XR will not
>>> >>>>> be
>>> >>>>>>>>> easily
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> available.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Gaurav
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Gaurav Thukral <
>>> >>>>>>>>> pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now it will become very costly dear. .......If u r a Cisco
>>> >>>>>> Employee
>>> >>>>>>>>> then
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it is ok for you. Becoz u have free 3 attempts & 5 with
>>> >>>>> Manager
>>> >>>>>>>>>> approval.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> For a normal person it is very tough to afford. My thoughts
>>> >>>>>> are
>>> >>>>>>>>> clear
>>> >>>>>>>>>> about
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> CCIE.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Gaurav
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:34 PM, GAURAV MADAN <
>>> >>>>>>>>>> gauravmadan1177_at_gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gaurav ,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a bold statement and a statement at which most will
>>> >>>>>> laugh
>>> >>>>>>>>> and
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ignore.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Diff. people have diff. views of CCIE as a certification .
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But when Cisco say that you are a CCIE .. that means you
>>> are
>>> >>>>>> expert
>>> >>>>>>>>> in
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> technology as well as product and you can handle related
>>> >>>>> stuff
>>> >>>>>> . So
>>> >>>>>>>>> if
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> you say that you are leaving race just because of new
>>> >>>>> hardware
>>> >>>>>> in
>>> >>>>>>>>> lab
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> .. the fact is you shd first get the feel of hardware /
>>> >>>>>>>>> architecture
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> etc before you jump on CCIE lab . Just think why Cisco is
>>> >>>>>>>>> introducing
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> new hardware in lab .. does Cisco has some personal rivalry
>>> >>>>>> with
>>> >>>>>>>>> you
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ?? No .. that's because Cisco see a market going in that
>>> >>>>>> direction
>>> >>>>>>>>> ..
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So better clear you view abt CCIE :)
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gaurav Madan
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> CCIE # 23863
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Gaurav Thukral <
>>> >>>>>>>>> pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think people stopped studying CISCO . There are no mails
>>> >>>>>> on
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> groupstudy or
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they solved all the troubleshooting tickets?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have seen the new CCIE SP blueprint. I think very few
>>> >>>>>> people
>>> >>>>>>>>> will
>>> >>>>>>>>>> go
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. CISCO will not be able to generate so much revenue
>>> >>>>> from
>>> >>>>>> CCIE
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Certifications further.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gaurav
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
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>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>>>> Narbik Kocharians
>>> >>>>>>>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>>> >>>>>>
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>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> --
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