Re: CCDE certification

Thanks for the mail Ronnie !
I thought CCDE had DC design included as well (never checked the blue print)

DC forms a huge part in any Enterprise/Managed solutions.
This is one area where i have seen/heard Cisco's recommendation not being so
good considering the ROI
Its NOT so easy as we think and a bookish knowledge will not help as well.

Tharak Abraham Luke

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:18 AM, Ronnie Angello <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> I think it's pretty accurate if you take into consideration what the CCDE
> is
> and isn't... I would consider everyone that I know that has passed it a
> design expert. I'd also consider some that haven't passed it design
> experts. Design is so broad, so it's difficult to have one expert level
> cert. CCDE should truly be parallel to CCIE - there should be a CCDE R&S,
> CCDE SP, CCDE Voice, CCDE Storage, etc. in my opinion.
>
> The CCDE is based on L3 design as it pertains to routing, tunneling, QoS,
> security, and management. It doesn't really touch on Data Center, Voice,
> or
> WLAN elements for instance, but how those pieces impact the underlying L3
> routing, tunneling, or QoS design, etc. It doesn't focus on Cisco
> products... There certainly are plenty of expert level design engineers in
> those disciplines, so I'd have a hard time saying that you're not a design
> expert if you don't have the CCDE.
>
> Basically it is a true design expert test for what it's designed to test,
> if
> that makes sense...
>
> Ronnie
>
> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Scott M Vermillion <
> scott_ccie_list_at_it-ag.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Ronnie,
> >
> > Just curious to know your thought as to how well the holding of this
> > cert reflects a true design expert? Not that I'm actually considering
> > it right now! ;-) Rather, just curious as to how well, in your (and
> > others') opinion, this certification maps to real-world design
> > expertise...
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Scott
> >
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> > On Feb 18, 2011, at 7:08 , Ronnie Angello wrote:
> >
> > > Your assumptions are valid. Right now a CCDE is equivalent to CCIE
> > > for
> > > meeting channel partner cert requirements.
> > >
> > > Is it worth the effort? That's up to you. I'm not going for the
> > > cert to
> > > get another job, but just want to be recognized as a design expert.
> > > What is
> > > your motivation?
> > >
> > > Ronnie
> > >
> > > On Feb 17, 2011 9:39 AM, "Bernard Steven" <buny.steven_at_gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > I know that having a CCIE isn t a must for CCDE. But to get the
> > > insight
> > > ,believe one needs a good hands on with most of the technologies.
> > >
> > > What my question is , is the effort justified with the reward for
> > > CCDE ? So
> > > far , have not seen any company specifically stating for CCDEs.
> > >
> > > Also I am under the impression that CCDE is mostly product neutral
> > > and lots
> > > of RFCs.
> > >
> > > Are my assumptions valid ?
> > >
> > > Any how , I am planning for the CCDE. Still reading . Have a great
> > > deal of
> > > experience in SP environment , but not with all the technologies
> > > mentioned
> > > in the blueprint.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Ronnie Angello <
> > ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com
> > > >
> > > wrote:
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