Re: OT - VSS and CCIE 4.0

I was not complaining about the IOS XR, i was stating that Cisco should come
up with a simulator like dynamips for ios XR, maybe a new version of IOU,
there is a difference. I think what i said is still there in Cisco
learning. In SP track, i think they should have kept what we have today and
add the new track as the core operation.

So Ryan what do you do these days to study for re-certification?
You still need to study at least 10 books or so, have a look at the
blueprint. Don't tell me it takes you a week of ignoring your family to
study for the written. I know lots of people that study for a week and
memorize the questions, but i am sure you don't do that. It should take you
around 2 months to truly study for the written.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com> wrote:

> Ram,
>
>
>
> Thats news to me, just checked out the 4500E Hardware and Software update
> slides and didnt see any mention of VSS in the roadmap. Is this one of
> those things like the arrival of the Sup2T, with an ever sliding release
> date? I would love to see VSS in the 4500 line, but I think it may
> cannibalize part of the 6500 BU. Theyre already losing the data center
> core role and being turned into large access and services switch. As it
> stands right now, the Sup7E has faster line cards than the 6500, 48 ports
> non-blocking, at least until the 80G Sup2t hits the market.
>
>
>
> I agree that the VSS addition to the 4500 line will make it even more
> popular, but still will be hardly practical for study:
>
>
>
> The lowest end borderless bundle that will get you access to VSS, IMO would
> be WS-C4510RE-S7+96V+, which is nice but not really cheap. A single Sup7E
> is more than half that price outright.
>
>
>
> Cheapest I can get into a 6500 VSS kit that see is the 6504E with no line
> cards and a single chassis, around the same as the 4510E bundle. Still
> sounds like a steep entry point for anything other than rented rack time.
>
>
>
> -ryan
>
>
>
> *From:* Ram Hispren Shummoogum [mailto:hispren_at_gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 9:36 AM
> *To:* Ryan West
> *Cc:* Narbik Kocharians; Shahid Ansari; Aaron Riemer; Asif Gul Khan; Cisco
> certification
> *Subject:* Re: OT - VSS and CCIE 4.0
>
>
>
> Keep in mind that VSS is in the roadmap for 4500 platform, ergo, will be
> very popular.
> - Show quoted text -
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not following how having 6500's would make the entry point for the
> students who sing your praises any easier. Were you not just complaining
> about the introduction of XR onto the SP? There is no arguing that the
> install base of the 6500 is a staggering number, but VSS 1440 isn't exactly
> challenging to get stood up and is pretty solid if you understand how to
> balance your channel members and keep traffic off the VSL.
>
> I hope they reserve these technologies for the next track that I'm really
> anticipating, Data Center.
>
> I'd rather see strict entry points for taking the exam, like verifiable
> work experience and a vouching system. Maybe tests should change more
often
> as well, I've heard this is still an issue, even in 4.0. Retesting every 5
> years sounds awesome, minus the whole 2 months of being basically useless
at
> work and ignoring your entire family again, sounds convenient for someone
> teaching it all the time.
>
> Sent from handheld
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2011, at 4:25 AM, "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I do agree with Shahid, but if it was up to me, the following is what I
> > would recommend:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 1. *The written exam should match the R&S blueprint*; it should be the
> > theory part of the lab. I believe that this will keep every one honest
> and
> > knowledgeable; because a CCIE candidate will know that this section is
> the
> > most important aspect of this cert; besides the fact that they have to
> keep
> > on referring back to that information when they have difficulty
> > understanding a given configuration.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2. *Remove some of the 3560 switches, and add 6500s*, this can be either
> 2
> > of each, or any combination. This can somewhat emulate the real world.
> There
> > are many differences between the two boxes. No matter where you go these
> > days, you will see these boxes. Could you imagine how well you would know
> > what s used out there? Your confidence level will be different.
> >
> > A CCNP test should have 4 3560s.
> >
> >
> >
> > 3. *Remove the written test for re-certification*, and instead add a
> > mandatory lab every 5 years, this will keep us all at our BEST. Maybe
> allow
> > three attempts before revoking the CCIE number.
> >
> >
> >
> > 4. *Go back to the days that the topology and the questions were given to
> us
> > on paper*. I do not buy the fact that this saves trees and etc etc,
> >
> >
> >
> > 5. *Give CCIEs something like a License that has the candidates picture*,
> i
> > see a lot of people faking a lot of people, believe it or not in few
> > occasions i was teaching two different classes in two different parts of
> the
> > world all at the same time, and one of us was horrible.
> >
> >
> > 6. *I like to see the "two day" lab back again*. Could you
> > imagine..........8 hours of configuration on day one, and another 8 hours
> of
> > TS on day two; the TS should NOT have anything to do with what you
> > configured on day one. Increase the price of the test to accommodate this
> > change. Wouldn t that be exciting?
> >
> > Maybe i am going crazy, i have been writing labs all day........i am
> going
> > to sleep.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Shahid Ansari <shahid1357_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> IMHO ,
> >>
> >> CCIE should have ability to understand new technologies .In practical
> world
> >> ,dont be so product specific(Cisco product) but keep yourself open for
> all
> >> IP products .
> >> If your foundation is strong you are well enough to understand new terms
> .
> >>
> >>
> >> CCIE exams solution is not best practice but it is test for engineers ;)
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thanks
> >> Shahid Ansari
> >> Solution Architect
> >> CCIE#20017
> >> Kuwait
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Aaron Riemer <ariemer_at_amnet.net.au>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Asif,
> >>>
> >>> Cisco need to cater for the broader population.
> >>>
> >>> How many organisations do you think run Nexus7k's and VSS? A lot of
> >>> engineers would not be as lucky as you to gain real world experience in
> >>> this
> >>> area.
> >>>
> >>> -Aaron.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >>> Asif
> >>> Gul Khan
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, 2 March 2011 2:54 PM
> >>> To: Cisco certification
> >>> Subject: OT - VSS and CCIE 4.0
> >>>
> >>> All,
> >>>
> >>> Was working on some VSS stuff and implementation details and the
> question
> >>> came to my mind that why havent Cisco emphasized on VSS in CCIE 4.0?
> >> Still
> >>> major switching portion is STP and HSRP based. Any particular reason
> for
> >>> that? I believe CCIE Lab was meant to be real world test for engineers
> >> and
> >>> I
> >>> would be very shocked if I see an CCIE engineer who does not have
> enough
> >>> knowledge on such an important technology. Is it focused in CCDE?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Asif Khan
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Narbik Kocharians
> > *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not following how having 6500's would make the entry point for the
> students who sing your praises any easier. Were you not just complaining
> about the introduction of XR onto the SP? There is no arguing that the
> install base of the 6500 is a staggering number, but VSS 1440 isn't exactly
> challenging to get stood up and is pretty solid if you understand how to
> balance your channel members and keep traffic off the VSL.
>
> I hope they reserve these technologies for the next track that I'm really
> anticipating, Data Center.
>
> I'd rather see strict entry points for taking the exam, like verifiable
> work experience and a vouching system. Maybe tests should change more
often
> as well, I've heard this is still an issue, even in 4.0. Retesting every 5
> years sounds awesome, minus the whole 2 months of being basically useless
at
> work and ignoring your entire family again, sounds convenient for someone
> teaching it all the time.
>
> Sent from handheld
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2011, at 4:25 AM, "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I do agree with Shahid, but if it was up to me, the following is what I
> > would recommend:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 1. *The written exam should match the R&S blueprint*; it should be the
> > theory part of the lab. I believe that this will keep every one honest
> and
> > knowledgeable; because a CCIE candidate will know that this section is
> the
> > most important aspect of this cert; besides the fact that they have to
> keep
> > on referring back to that information when they have difficulty
> > understanding a given configuration.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2. *Remove some of the 3560 switches, and add 6500s*, this can be either
> 2
> > of each, or any combination. This can somewhat emulate the real world.
> There
> > are many differences between the two boxes. No matter where you go these
> > days, you will see these boxes. Could you imagine how well you would know
> > what s used out there? Your confidence level will be different.
> >
> > A CCNP test should have 4 3560s.
> >
> >
> >
> > 3. *Remove the written test for re-certification*, and instead add a
> > mandatory lab every 5 years, this will keep us all at our BEST. Maybe
> allow
> > three attempts before revoking the CCIE number.
> >
> >
> >
> > 4. *Go back to the days that the topology and the questions were given to
> us
> > on paper*. I do not buy the fact that this saves trees and etc etc,
> >
> >
> >
> > 5. *Give CCIEs something like a License that has the candidates picture*,
> i
> > see a lot of people faking a lot of people, believe it or not in few
> > occasions i was teaching two different classes in two different parts of
> the
> > world all at the same time, and one of us was horrible.
> >
> >
> > 6. *I like to see the "two day" lab back again*. Could you
> > imagine..........8 hours of configuration on day one, and another 8 hours
> of
> > TS on day two; the TS should NOT have anything to do with what you
> > configured on day one. Increase the price of the test to accommodate this
> > change. Wouldn t that be exciting?
> >
> > Maybe i am going crazy, i have been writing labs all day........i am
> going
> > to sleep.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Shahid Ansari <shahid1357_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> IMHO ,
> >>
> >> CCIE should have ability to understand new technologies .In practical
> world
> >> ,dont be so product specific(Cisco product) but keep yourself open for
> all
> >> IP products .
> >> If your foundation is strong you are well enough to understand new terms
> .
> >>
> >>
> >> CCIE exams solution is not best practice but it is test for engineers ;)
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thanks
> >> Shahid Ansari
> >> Solution Architect
> >> CCIE#20017
> >> Kuwait
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Aaron Riemer <ariemer_at_amnet.net.au>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Asif,
> >>>
> >>> Cisco need to cater for the broader population.
> >>>
> >>> How many organisations do you think run Nexus7k's and VSS? A lot of
> >>> engineers would not be as lucky as you to gain real world experience in
> >>> this
> >>> area.
> >>>
> >>> -Aaron.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >>> Asif
> >>> Gul Khan
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, 2 March 2011 2:54 PM
> >>> To: Cisco certification
> >>> Subject: OT - VSS and CCIE 4.0
> >>>
> >>> All,
> >>>
> >>> Was working on some VSS stuff and implementation details and the
> question
> >>> came to my mind that why havent Cisco emphasized on VSS in CCIE 4.0?
> >> Still
> >>> major switching portion is STP and HSRP based. Any particular reason
> for
> >>> that? I believe CCIE Lab was meant to be real world test for engineers
> >> and
> >>> I
> >>> would be very shocked if I see an CCIE engineer who does not have
> enough
> >>> knowledge on such an important technology. Is it focused in CCDE?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Asif Khan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________________________________
> >>> Subscription information may be found at:
> >>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________________________________
> >>> Subscription information may be found at:
> >>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
> >>
> >>
> >> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________________________________
> >> Subscription information may be found at:
> >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Narbik Kocharians
> > *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> > www.MicronicsTraining.com <http://www.micronicstraining.com/> <
> http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
> > Sr. Technical Instructor
> > *Ask about our FREE Lab Voucher with our Boot Camps*
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--
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