Re: MacBook pro - OT

I changed to a MacBook pro 15" about two years ago. Like most I run a W7 VM for netformx and visio

There is no way I am going back to "windows" machine.

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On 27 Jun 2011, at 8:52 PM, Larry Letterman <lletterm_at_cisco.com> wrote:

> the mac's built in vpn client works fine with my cisco vpn network...as
> previously mentioned, windows apps run fine on a mac..you have a good t61, I
> cant say the same for the last one I had..
>
> it all comes down to what a person is happy with..it appears that a lot of
> people here and elsewhere are happy with mac's..
>
>
>
>
> On 6/27/11 1:39 PM, "Vladimir Osipenko" <tiffolk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Come on, Guys, Mac doesn't have Miranda IM =)
>>
>> And all that stuff with vendor's VPN clients? Or VMware vSphere Client?
>>
>> And so on...
>>
>> I use T61p with windows 7, no problem at all.
>> 3 years without service.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 27 June 2011 21:30, Raghava <raghava.rao85_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Good to see MAC topping the list of cisco techie guys...
>>>
>>> Everyone loves MAC here, as its cool...with all features...
>>>
>>> But I use HP Elitebook with i5....:(
>>> That's it enough for me..I am going to buy a MAc soon..now..super excited to
>>> owe one..
>>>
>>> Good to know everyones views...
>>>
>>> Apple macintosh everyday, keeps other laptops away.. :P
>>>
>>>
>>> <raghava>
>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerryB.
>>>
>>>
>>> It matters not how strait the gate,
>>> How charged with punishments the scroll.
>>> I am the master of my fate:
>>> I am the captain of my soul.
>>>
>>> -- Taken from "Invictus" by William Ernest Henley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>> Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:35:32
>>> To: marc edwards<renorider_at_gmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>> Cc: john matijevic<john.matijevic_at_gmail.com>; Marko
>>> Milivojevic<markom_at_ipexpert.com>; Carl Gosselin<carl.gosselin_at_altizone.com>;
>>> Jeferson Guardia<jefersonf_at_gmail.com>; Rick Mur<rmur_at_ipexpert.com>; Scott
>>> Morris<swm_at_emanon.com>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> Subject: Re: MacBook pro - OT
>>>
>>> Marc,
>>>
>>> No arguments there, my older brother has few MAC stores in Sydney and we all
>>> use MACs and i love it, because the thing works.
>>> I mentioned the price, because some companies look at the initial cost and
>>> support, but i believe in a very near future MACs will take over.
>>>
>>> I run Win7 with Parallel and i do not have any problems.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:16 AM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> hmmmmm. Everyone at Cisco works on Mac's. Seems like all of us in this
>>>> string are fans of Macs. Virtualization allows for any platform to
>>>> work within a MAC.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry to disagree Narbik, I believe that MAC's are comparable and
>>>> affordable versus the Business class series of Dell/HP. I run a mini
>>>> at home that costed under $800 with 8 gb of RAM. A pro can be bought
>>>> for under $1500 which is cheaper than my work spent on the HP I am
>>>> typing on. Macs are more power friendly so there could be realized
>>>> cost savings on running them. Especially over the lifetime of the
>>>> device.
>>>>
>>>> If my boss gives me a Windows box, I most likely throw Ubuntu on it
>>>> and virtualize the windows environment anyways. Windows has seen its
>>>> hayday and I think times are changing. This is more than just a trend,
>>>> it is a technological revolution. Stay ahead of the curve and buy a
>>>> MAC!
>>>>
>>>> Marc Edwards
>>>> http://reno-ccie.blogsppot.com
>>>> http://cisco-voyage.blogspot.com
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> John,
>>>>>
>>>>> I could be wrong but i honestly think it's the price.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 8:59 AM, john matijevic <
>>>> john.matijevic_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Helllo Team,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also considered an Apple, but from working with Fortune 500 companies,
>>>> I
>>>>>> find that more businesses uses Windows PCs.
>>>>>> At least most likely a Windows PC will be assigned rather than a MAC,
>>>> from
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> business point of view. Perhaps smaller companies allow you to be more
>>>>>> flexible, bigger businesses tend to lease equipment and assign to keep
>>>>>> standard from support point of view.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Marko Milivojevic <
>>>> markom_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have to agree with "1 year" reevaluation. I haven't touched OG for
>>>>>>> more than a year now, but I kept an eye on it. I don't see any
>>>>>>> dramatic changes. 100% compatibility with Visio would be a must, yet I
>>>>>>> doubt we'll ever see that. I'm still hoping for a miracle from
>>>>>>> Microsoft and a Mac version of Visio :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427
>>>>>>> Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FREE CCIE training: http://bit.ly/vLecture
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mailto: markom_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>>>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
>>>>>>> Web: http://www.ipexpert.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 08:14, Carl Gosselin <
>>>> carl.gosselin_at_altizone.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Yes I tried Omnigraffle and I too was not too impressed with the
>>>>>> results
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> what really killed my hopes for going Mac only was the fact that you
>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> go through a web site for file conversion between Omnigraffle and
>>>>>> Visio.
>>>>>>>> Like sharing files with otherB collaboratorsB pr clients isn't aB
>>>>>>> necessity!!!
>>>>>>>> I tried Cross-Over for Visio but I found that the video rendering
>>>>>>> wasn't up
>>>>>>>> to par.... VMware Fusion in Unity mode gives me the best of both
>>>>>>> worlds...
>>>>>>>> I haven't reevaluated for over a year now maybe things improved but
>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>> happy with my setup.
>>>>>>>> -Carl
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Marko Milivojevic <
>>>>>> markom_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh - add one more. Actually 6 more (that's how much I love Macs).
>>>> My
>>>>>>>>> workhorse is 27" iMac and my laptop is 17" MBP with 8G RAM and SSD.
>>>>>>>>> You would have to pry them from my dead cold hands to replace them
>>>>>>>>> with Windows machines.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And again - Visio is the only reason for me having VMware.
>>>> OmniGraffle
>>>>>>>>> is just a toy in comparison, I'm afraid.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427
>>>>>>>>> Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FREE CCIE training: http://bit.ly/vLecture
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mailto: markom_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>>>>>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
>>>>>>>>> Web: http://www.ipexpert.com/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 06:49, Jeferson Guardia <
>>>> jefersonf_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> wow.. I didnt expect this discussion to go so further nor I didnt
>>>>>>> expect
>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>> many CCIE's crazy for macs :-) I thought I was one of kind along
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>>> other guys.. great points raised though.. I was really interested
>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>> the 512GB SSD but it's like 1,2k more.. It's gotta be really
>>>> worth
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>> on that extra money.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've heard I can buy a 128gb SSD unit later on and replace my CD
>>>>>> drive
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> that HD.. I might do that.. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks for everyone's contributtion, my mac is coming really soon
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> im
>>>>>>>>>> getting rid of everything including my dell's employee i5..
>>>>>> whatever!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Jeferson Guardia
>>>>>>>>>> CCIE #28157
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2011/6/27 Rick Mur <rmur_at_ipexpert.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You can just call me by name Scott ;-) It's been a while since I
>>>>>> sat
>>>>>>>>>>> across
>>>>>>>>>>> of you ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have the 11" Air with 1.6Ghz and 4GB RAM and 128GB SSD. I can
>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>>>> on this machine as I could on my previous Core 2 Duo 17" Macbook
>>>>>> Pro.
>>>>>>>>>>> VMware
>>>>>>>>>>> runs blazing fast! As Scott mentioned I use Windows mostly for
>>>>>> Visio
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> OmniGraffle has the worst Visio export ever and I kind-of need
>>>> to
>>>>>>> share
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> files with other people. So yeah I also need Windows for just 1
>>>>>> app.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Mur
>>>>>>>>>>> CCIE3 #21946 (R&S / SP / Storage), JNCIP-M #1352
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Scott Morris <swm_at_emanon.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The SSD is well worth it IMHO. B Power-on is awesome. B Even
>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> full
>>>>>>>>>>>> disk encryption, I'm up and logging in within 15 seconds and
>>>>>> ready
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> rock in about 30 seconds. B :) B (If disk check needs to be
>>>> run
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> may be
>>>>>>>>>>>> 60 seconds, but still much better than normal HDD!)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Omnigraffle as mentioned works well for Visio files. B But
>>>> just
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>> easily, VMware Fusion with an XP image should run blazing fast
>>>>>>>>>>>> (faster
>>>>>>>>>>>> on Mac/VM than on my Lenovo T61!).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But Visio and Quicken are about the only things that I rely on
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windoze
>>>>>>>>>>>> for any longer. B Other than the occasional #$*&#ing web site
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> requires Internet Exploder.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I own the 17" and love it. B Even though large, it's still
>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>>>>> light.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But with the new versions of things, the 15" MBP or 15" Aire
>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> just as good in most instances.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sitting across from someone running the Aire with SSD and
>>>>>>> swears
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> does everything he needs!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pricey yes, but definitely worth it IMHO!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
>>>> Provider)
>>>>>>>>>>>> #4713,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> swm_at_emanon.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Power corrupts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/26/11 4:54 AM, Jeferson Guardia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wow this topic raised SO many good opinions and advices.. Im
>>>>>>>>>>>>> definetly
>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a mac.. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, do you guys think is worth adding an extra 1200 USD for
>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 500GB SSD ? My friend told me its just AWESOME.. I think
>>>> I`ll
>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> 15inch
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i7 8gb with that 500gb SSD.. is gonna be a little bit
>>>> expensive
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice machine..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks everyone for jumping in :) fun times!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2011/6/25 Carl Gosselin <carl.gosselin_at_altizone.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I own the 17" MacBook Pro, being a consultant I found it
>>>> gave
>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>>>>>>> package as a mobile office and I don't think it's heavy to
>>>>>> carry
>>>>>>>>>>> around.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do appreciate the aluminum casing for durability and
>>>> style!! I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capsule at home for wireless backups... Other then that I
>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> iTerm
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> VMware fusion for Visio and other Windows app. I did run
>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Parallel that pushed me towards fusion but that 3 years
>>>> ago...
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 8GB RAM and 500GB SSD and it was worth it!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would never go back now that I went Mac!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Carl
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==============================
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carl Gosselin CCIE R&S Voice #15228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2011-06-25, at 20:53, Alexei Monastyrnyi <
>>>>>>> alexeim73_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My wife has a 13" one, the only downside is no anti-glare
>>>>>>> screen
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this screen size. VMWare Fusion is good, although they say
>>>>>>>>>>> Parallelsis
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20% faster. And you may find them quite warm siting on
>>>> your
>>>>>> lap
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are running. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/26/2011 6:53 AM, Jeferson Guardia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry.. This is Totally OT .. I know that..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm a network eng.. Working a lot on pre-sales (visio
>>>> diags
>>>>>>> etc)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lots of routing voice etc..
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wanna get rid of my Dell and get a mac pro for work and
>>>>>>> fun..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one should I get .. The 13.3 , 15 or 17? I don't
>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>> very heavy because I move a lot.. So I don't think of
>>>> getting
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17
>>>>>>>>>>>> inch..
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any recommendations from Mac users working on networks and
>>>>>>> stuff??
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> B ............................
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeferson Guardia
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CCIE #28157
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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