RE: CCIE R&S Decline

http://www.ccieflyer.com/2011-01-Scott_Morris.php

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Vladimir Osipenko
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 2:17 PM
To: -Hammer-
Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE R&S Decline

Who is Scott Morris?

On 11 July 2011 19:18, -Hammer- <bhmccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> Marc,
> You just lost about 2/3rds of the audience with the Highlander
> reference. :) You'll have to reference Scott as "Syler" from "Heroes"
> for the young folk.
>
> -Hammer-
>
> "I was a normal American nerd"
> -Jack Herer
>
>
>
> On 07/11/2011 09:57 AM, marc abel wrote:
>> I don't know. I heard that if you kill a CCIE you get his power.
>> Maybe Scott Morris is hunting them down all Highlander style. This
>> could account for the high number of deaths.
>>
>>
>> There can be only one.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Joseph L. Brunner
>> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry I'm not buying death as even a top 10 candidate for the decline in
ccie's...
>>>
>>> Assume the cert became availabe in 1993 and the average age of a
>>> passee for the life of the program was 37 (I'll even let you make
>>> this an unbelievable 50!!!)
>>>
>>> The actuarial odds of 1,000 of say HALF of 17,000 (let's assume half
passed in the first 10 years of the program) or 8500 BEFORE age 70 with a
western style of living, would mean no one under 70 would be allowed life
insurance to say the least :).
>>>
>>> So, let's end that old maid's tale Cisco would find convienient that
their premier certification is LOSING head count due to deaths...
>>>
>>> It's not credible. I'm sure you can go lookup what percent of
>>> males/females making what a ccie averages globally die before age 70
>>> in countries like USA, Belgium, England, Japan... (And we know I let
>>> you use "50" when its probably more like "37" for median age, so we
>>> are really talking about 57 year olds dropping dead...)
>>>
>>> I would say the top 10 reasons for the decline are:
>>>
>>> 1. Lack of interest in renewing (in same career). Didn't get raise or 20
year old hot secretary they wanted for passing...
>>>
>>> 2. Change of job role, no need to renew (in same career, but say move to
management).
>>>
>>> 3. Chage of careers cert no longer needed
>>>
>>> 4. Unfamiliar/intimidated with new topics (how many of us have
>>> worked with an "old timer ccie" who was not able to say how to
>>> config mpls or modern qos???)
>>>
>>> 5. Unaware they RECENTLY expired. Yes cisco did JUST start emailing
>>> people these last few months... (a good half of the drops could be
>>> already planning on Retaking the written or more per your data, we
>>> don't know)
>>>
>>> 6. Disenfranchisement with the requirement they recertify - I hear
>>> many older ccie's think that like the retired California Highway
>>> Patrol "Commissioner Emeritus" on late night tv (admit you have seen
>>> him NOW!) they should be able to "wear their uniform" years after
>>> they retire... So they just let it expire as a protest
>>>
>>> 7. Went on to the "10 years" ccie emeritus program catchall and
>>> think this is acceptible enough (5 recerts could probably do this to
>>> anyone)
>>>
>>> 8. Wife and kids won't allow them time to study. (See "The Shining"
>>> starring Jack Nicholson for a possible solution to get your ccie
>>> back)
>>>
>>> 9. Fraud. Many passed or skated using dumps and just didn't value the
cert. I'm sure the 5 guys with the same name in Bejing who passed ALL on the
SAME day a few years back didn't need the cert again...
>>>
>>> 10. Retirement from Cisco (Many of the early passers worked there). They
just don't need the cert anymore as it was part of a career they retired
honorably from. Not bad if you made it out with above water stock options :)
and you saved well.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Vladimir Osipenko [mailto:tiffolk_at_gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 07:57 AM
>>> To: Joseph L. Brunner
>>> Cc: Farrukh Haroon<farrukhharoon_at_gmail.com>; Cisco
>>> certification<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> Subject: Re: CCIE R&S Decline
>>>
>>> And you know, people sometimes die...
>>>
>>> On 11 July 2011 11:47, Joseph L. Brunner<joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> No the need is down so the demand is down...
>>>>
>>>> How many people are building new big expensive networks in a
depression?
>>>>
>>>> How many US banks are just "keeping what they have running"?
>>>>
>>>> How many new global players that are building new networks are using
Juniper?
>>>>
>>>> Look around these days - its mostly professional services firms
>>>> hiring CCIE's - and who wants to work for them LOL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of Farrukh Haroon
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 3:21 AM
>>>> To: Cisco certification
>>>> Subject: CCIE R&S Decline
>>>>
>>>> Dear All
>>>>
>>>> I came across this interesting link, I was wondering how or why
>>>> the CCIE RnS count could go down by almost 1k in less than a year?
>>>> The actual figure might be even higher than 2k (if you look at the
>>>> nice math at the end of that link<wink> )
>>>>
>>>> Was the recession so tough that people could not afford for the
>>>> written exam fees and few hours of study to renew their cert?
>>>>
>>>> http://bradreese.com/blog/5-24-2011.htm
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Farrukh
>>>>
>>>> P.S. I have confirmed those stats myself from one CCIE
>>>> Live/Networkers presentation (have a live pass)
>>>>
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