Re: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM

I'd have to say that the password authentication with Internet access really irks me as well. I have to travel a lot and can never open the files , I had to create a virtual machine just so I could pause the machine with the PDF open to read later without Internet.

Regards,
 Joe Sanchez

On Mar 15, 2012, at 8:13 PM, Josh Atterbury <joshuaatterbury_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Narbik, as much as I enjoyed your R&S course and workbooks I agree with
> Brian on this one, I bought your Security workbooks to use for study, but
> after realizing:
>
> - Locklizard does not work on Linux natively
> - No means to open the files on an ipad
> - Had to have an internet connection to open the file
>
> I gave up using them.
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Brian McGahan <bmcgahan_at_ine.com> wrote:
>
>> Arguing that website login authentication is the same is DRM is just
>> absurd, and I'm sorry, but using DRM does hinder them from learning.
>>
>> Any end user who has ever used *any* DRM solution knows that DRM just ends
>> up being a hassle at the end of the day, and still doesn't deter people who
>> really want to copy your books, movies, music, software, etc. The only
>> thing that DRM does really well is piss off your legitimate customers.
>>
>> Does locklizard work on Windows, MacOS, Linux, iPad, iPhone, Kindle,
>> Android, and Windows Phone, etc.? If I buy electronic content and I'm
>> limited to using it on one specific platform with one specific viewer with
>> one specific plugin, then I'm sorry, that's a deal breaker for me as a
>> customer.
>>
>>
>> Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
>> bmcgahan_at_INE.com
>>
>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> http://www.INE.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Brian Dennis
>> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:03 PM
>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM
>>
>> Narbik,
>> It doesn't limit their learning experience by requiring them to login to
>> download their purchases. Just because you're upset at our stance on DRM
>> you shouldn't need to reply in all caps.
>>
>> --
>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>> bdennis_at_ine.com
>>
>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> http://www.INE.com
>>
>>
>> On 03/15/2012 03:31 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>>> Protecting your work does not mean that you are punishing your honest
>>> paying clients, all they have to do is to click on our book and it
>>> opens and they can read and access it, how does that hinder them from
>> learning?
>>>
>>> BTW, WHY DO YOU GUYS HAVE A USERNAME AND PASSWORD FOR ACCESSING YOUR
>>> WORKBOOKS, VIDEOS AND ETC? what is it..... you don't trust people? WHY?
>>> leave it open, who ever paid, will click and access your stuff, people
>>> that have not paid, they will NEVER do that. Correct? Are you NOT
>>> trying to protect your work?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com
>>> <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Our products are up there now and have been for years. It doesn't
>>> mean I'm going to punish honest paying customers by restricting
>>> their access and forcing them to use a horrible program like
>>> LockLizard or whatever that new one Cisco uses is called.
>>>
>>> I honestly believe that the vast major of people in this world are
>>> honest and I'm not going hinder their learning experience by
>>> treating them like they are dishonest.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/__Voice)
>>>
>>> bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>>
>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>> http://www.INE.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/15/2012 02:53 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>>>
>>> So Brian what do you do when someone purchases your book/s and
>>> puts it
>>> on one of these shared sites? What if the shared site is in
>> another
>>> country?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Paul Negron
>>> <negron.paul_at_gmail.com <mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com <mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com>>__>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> GREAT
>>> --
>>> Paul Negron
>>> CCIE# 14856 CCSI# 22752
>>> Senior Technical Instructor
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com>
>>> <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com>>>
>>>> Reply-To: Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com
>>> <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com> <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com
>>> <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:32:18 +0000
>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
>>> <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com> <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com
>>> <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>>>
>>>> Cc: Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>> <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>>,
>>> "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> __>"
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>>>> Conversation: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM
>>>> Subject: Re: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM
>>>>
>>>> I agree, they are great.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from handheld
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 5:26 PM, "Narbik Kocharians"
>>> <narbikk_at_gmail.com <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> WOW, unbelievable. You guys are GR8.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Brian Dennis
>>> <bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>> <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> INE does not use any sort of DRM for our PDFs or videos.
>> When
>>> you buy the
>>>>>> product, it's yours to use as you see fit. You want the
>> play
>>> the videos on
>>>>>> your phone, tablet, TV, computer, etc offline or online?
>> You
>>> can do it.
>>>>>> You want to use the workbook PDFs on your phone, tablet,
>>> notebook, etc
>>>>>> offline or online? You can do it. You want to print the PDF
>>> 1000 times?
>>>>>> Then do it. I'm not going to restrict that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You bought it and it's your product. Just because someone
>> else
>>> isn't
>>>>>> honest I'm not going to treat you like you're dishonest.
>> Screw
>>> DRM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210
>> (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/**__Voice)
>>>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>> <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>>> http://www.INE.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 03/15/2012 11:33 AM, Paul Negron wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Funny how everyone seems to AGREE on NDA integrity and then
>>> turns around
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> shares workbook material that they alone are licensed for.
>> I
>>> feel the same
>>>>>>> way about software nowadays. Offer me the FULL version
>> with an
>>> option to
>>>>>>> buy
>>>>>>> it if I like it.(That's fair).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Brians, Narbik and every vendor that helps here works
>> very
>>> hard to
>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>> you the very best they have. Everyone should honor that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately there will be always be the NOBLE cheater
>> that
>>> feels they
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> just download a song off there buddy's laptop and feel
>> that it
>>> is somehow
>>>>>>> OK. Stealing is Stealing no matter how you spin it.
>>>>>>>
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