Re: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM

As long as everyone is making great products people will by them - end of.
After that it doesn't matter where the material is, if its awesome I buy it.

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:54 AM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:

> Narbik,
> This isn't some INE vs Narbik thread and sorry if you took it that way. I
> don't know much about your operation and didn't even know you personally
> used Lock Lizard. I thought it was just the Cisco 360 material that used
> it and mentioned that in my earlier email.
>
> This was just a thread about DRM and the use of DRM in education. Didn't
> mean to upset anyone or piss anyone off. I just personally hate DRM ;-)
>
>
> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/**Voice)
> bdennis_at_ine.com
>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.INE.com
>
> On 03/15/2012 07:57 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>
>> Guys,
>>
>> Thanks for your recommendation, i never thought that you all loved and
>> cared for me that much.
>>
>> When a student is configuring a lab, he/she configures the lab using a
>> laptop or a PC and NOT kindle, Iphone, Ipad, or Android, Brian this is
>> not a complex RFC or a CCIE puzzle.
>>
>> And i have not heard any complaints, Josh is the first one that has
>> complained about LockLizard and he did it in this thread, and this is
>> the first time i am hearing about it, he has never e-mailed me his
>> problems with DRM, have you Josh?
>>
>> Janet always provides extra licenses without any drama, the students
>> have the right to print the document or purchase the printed version. We
>> have been using this for a while now, and our products, which should be
>> the main topic here, speaks for itself.
>>
>> */but using DRM does hinder them from learning/*
>> We provide unlimited retakes, we promote education, we stay with our
>> students until they pass this test, my relation with my students starts
>> when our boot camp ends, I respond to my students questions, I ask them
>> to e-mail me their questions directly, I even give them my phone number,
>> we ask our students that have passed their test to retake the class at
>> least once a year (At no cost) so they can stay up to date, these are
>> the issues that provide education to the students and these are the
>> issues that we need to discuss and NOT "Hey we don't use DRM, we trust
>> everyone".
>>
>> */Maybe I could make more money if I locked it all down using DRM
>> security/*
>> I have never thought of making a little more money at my student's cost.
>>
>> We joined the 360 program, and this program is costing us an arm and a
>> leg, but we eat the cost so our students can benefit seeing this entire
>> thing from a different angle/perspective. You are talking to the wrong
>> person my friend.
>>
>> LockLizard/DRM does not guarantee anything, it just makes it harder for
>> the thieves. When you install Security cameras or lock your front door
>> at home, it does not guarantee anything, it just makes it harder and
>> hopefully deters the intruder.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Brian McGahan <bmcgahan_at_ine.com
>> <mailto:bmcgahan_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Arguing that website login authentication is the same is DRM is just
>> absurd, and I'm sorry, but using DRM does hinder them from learning.
>>
>> Any end user who has ever used *any* DRM solution knows that DRM
>> just ends up being a hassle at the end of the day, and still doesn't
>> deter people who really want to copy your books, movies, music,
>> software, etc. The only thing that DRM does really well is piss off
>> your legitimate customers.
>>
>> Does locklizard work on Windows, MacOS, Linux, iPad, iPhone, Kindle,
>> Android, and Windows Phone, etc.? If I buy electronic content and
>> I'm limited to using it on one specific platform with one specific
>> viewer with one specific plugin, then I'm sorry, that's a deal
>> breaker for me as a customer.
>>
>>
>> Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
>> bmcgahan_at_INE.com
>>
>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> http://www.INE.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
>> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>**] On
>> Behalf Of Brian Dennis
>> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:03 PM
>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com**>
>> Subject: Re: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM
>>
>> Narbik,
>> It doesn't limit their learning experience by requiring them to
>> login to download their purchases. Just because you're upset at our
>> stance on DRM you shouldn't need to reply in all caps.
>>
>> --
>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/**Voice)
>> bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>
>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> http://www.INE.com
>>
>>
>> On 03/15/2012 03:31 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>> > Protecting your work does not mean that you are punishing your
>> honest
>> > paying clients, all they have to do is to click on our book and it
>> > opens and they can read and access it, how does that hinder them
>> from learning?
>> >
>> > BTW, WHY DO YOU GUYS HAVE A USERNAME AND PASSWORD FOR ACCESSING YOUR
>> > WORKBOOKS, VIDEOS AND ETC? what is it..... you don't trust
>> people? WHY?
>> > leave it open, who ever paid, will click and access your stuff,
>> people
>> > that have not paid, they will NEVER do that. Correct? Are you NOT
>> > trying to protect your work?
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com
>> <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>> > <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Our products are up there now and have been for years. It
>> doesn't
>> > mean I'm going to punish honest paying customers by restricting
>> > their access and forcing them to use a horrible program like
>> > LockLizard or whatever that new one Cisco uses is called.
>> >
>> > I honestly believe that the vast major of people in this
>> world are
>> > honest and I'm not going hinder their learning experience by
>> > treating them like they are dishonest.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/__**Voice)
>> >
>> > bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com> <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com
>> <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
>> >
>> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
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>> >
>> >
>> > On 03/15/2012 02:53 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>> >
>> > So Brian what do you do when someone purchases your
>> book/s and
>> > puts it
>> > on one of these shared sites? What if the shared site is
>> in another
>> > country?
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Paul Negron
>> > <negron.paul_at_gmail.com <mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com>
>> <mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com <mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com>**>
>> > <mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com <mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com>
>> <mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com <mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com>**>>__>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > GREAT
>> > --
>> > Paul Negron
>> > CCIE# 14856 CCSI# 22752
>> > Senior Technical Instructor
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > From: Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com>
>> <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com>>
>> > <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com>
>> <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com>>>>
>> > > Reply-To: Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com>
>> > <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com>>
>> <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com>
>> > <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com>>>>
>>
>> >
>> > > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:32:18 +0000
>> > > To: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com <mailto:
>> narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>>
>> <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>>>>
>>
>> > > Cc: Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>> <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
>> > <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
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>>
>> >
>> > > Conversation: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM
>> > > Subject: Re: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM
>> > >
>> > > I agree, they are great.
>> > >
>> > > Sent from handheld
>> > >
>> > > On Mar 15, 2012, at 5:26 PM, "Narbik Kocharians"
>> > <narbikk_at_gmail.com <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>> <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>>
>> > <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>
>> <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> WOW, unbelievable. You guys are GR8.
>> > >>
>> > >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Brian Dennis
>> > <bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com> <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com
>> <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
>> > <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>
>> <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> INE does not use any sort of DRM for our PDFs or videos. When
>> > you buy the
>> > >>> product, it's yours to use as you see fit. You want the play
>> > the videos on
>> > >>> your phone, tablet, TV, computer, etc offline or online? You
>> > can do it.
>> > >>> You want to use the workbook PDFs on your phone, tablet,
>> > notebook, etc
>> > >>> offline or online? You can do it. You want to print the PDF
>> > 1000 times?
>> > >>> Then do it. I'm not going to restrict that.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> You bought it and it's your product. Just because someone else
>> > isn't
>> > >>> honest I'm not going to treat you like you're dishonest. Screw
>> > DRM.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> --
>> > >>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/**__**
>> Voice)
>> > >>> bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
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>> > >>>
>> > >>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
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>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On 03/15/2012 11:33 AM, Paul Negron wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> Funny how everyone seems to AGREE on NDA integrity and then
>> > turns around
>> > >>>> and
>> > >>>> shares workbook material that they alone are licensed for. I
>> > feel the same
>> > >>>> way about software nowadays. Offer me the FULL version with an
>> > option to
>> > >>>> buy
>> > >>>> it if I like it.(That's fair).
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> The Brians, Narbik and every vendor that helps here works very
>> > hard to
>> > >>>> give
>> > >>>> you the very best they have. Everyone should honor that.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Unfortunately there will be always be the NOBLE cheater that
>> > feels they
>> > >>>> can
>> > >>>> just download a song off there buddy's laptop and feel that it
>> > is somehow
>> > >>>> OK. Stealing is Stealing no matter how you spin it.
>> > >>>>
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