Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?

Some one pay me back. I got the webex :-D

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>wrote:

> I'm in, but again and like Marc, I'm far from the expert. Marc use to host
> his Friday Webex sessions, and this style worked well. I'd be happy to
> learn this or that- who's the PfR expert?
>
> Regards,
> Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
> Sent from iJay
>
> On Apr 11, 2012, at 6:44 PM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I will be there... but not the expert :)
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Joe Sanchez <marco207p_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> How about this.... Someone (expert) on the subject of OER put together a
> >> webex and let it roll.. I'm willing to sacrifice a Saturday and a
> little $
> >> to get it rolling.
> >>
> >> It seems a lot of people are lacking confidence in the OER realm,
> >> including me... So what do you say?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Joe Sanchez
> >>
> >> On Apr 11, 2012, at 4:13 PM, Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Brian ,
> >>>
> >>> A blog containing the link will be appreciated by all. However if you
> >>> want to unicast when master piece get ready , please include me in cc.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Since PfR/OER is relatively new to the lab exam it's not covered as
> much
> >>>> as a topic like OSPF, MPLS VPNs, etc in most products. That being
> said
> >> I
> >>>> currently spend at least one full day covering it in my 10 Day R&S
> >>>> bootcamps and I cover it in-depth as getting 5 or 6 points on it in
> the
> >> lab
> >>>> exam can be the difference between passing or failing. I start from
> the
> >>>> basics (i.e. load balancing, PfR static & BGP route manipulation, etc
> )
> >> and
> >>>> work into the more advanced configurations (i.e. link groups, fast
> mode,
> >>>> jitter probes, delay, PBR based upon DSCP, using PfR for sink holing
> >>>> traffic, etc).
> >>>>
> >>>> To be honest there are a ton of strange, for lack of a better term,
> >> quirks
> >>>> with PfR that can cause trouble when someone is just starting out
> >> learning
> >>>> PfR. So although it may seem like a good idea for me to just throwing
> >> you
> >>>> the labs from my bootcamp, that isn't going to be what you really need
> >> to
> >>>> truly understand it. It would be like saying to me "Hey Brian I want
> to
> >>>> learn MPLS VPNs" and I say "Here are a couple labs. Good luck!".
> Think
> >>>> that will work? No.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is just a few example of quirks with PfR: An access-list used
> >> with a
> >>>> learn list can not match IP addresses but an access-list with a
> oer-map
> >>>> should match IP addresses. When using fast mode with a learn list you
> >> need
> >>>> to use a prefix list when also matching with an access-list. Or how
> to
> >>>> configure PfR to do PBR unconditionally without any OOP condition,
> etc,
> >>>> etc, etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> As I mentioned there are a lot of pitfalls with learning PfR due to
> the
> >>>> fact it's a newer technology and went through a lot of changes in IOS
> >>>> 12.4T. PfR is an awesome technology and I personally love it but it
> >> can be
> >>>> complicated to learn for anyone starting out. I would venture to say
> >> that
> >>>> is it one of the most complicated of any technology currently covered
> in
> >>>> the lab exam. The documentation is 33% bigger than the OSPF
> >> documentation
> >>>> and it's only getting larger with QoS being added and PfR domains in
> >> future
> >>>> releases.
> >>>>
> >>>> I started a blog series on it (http://goo.gl/yH0ip) but have since
> >>>> decided to just write a whole document covering PfR as the topic is
> just
> >>>> too big to cover in a few blog posts. I currently have over 100 pages
> >> and
> >>>> I'm hoping to release it around the end of the month. If anyone would
> >> like
> >>>> a copy, free of charge of course, just let me know.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lastly if anyone wants to come see me cover PfR in person free of
> charge
> >>>> just contact INE sales and ask to audit one day of my bootcamp. It's
> >>>> normally covered on the 8th day of my bootcamp. I'm in Dubai this
> week
> >> and
> >>>> covered PfR yesterday and have a private bootcamp next week but after
> >> that
> >>>> I'm teaching in Washington, DC and Seattle next so feel free to stop
> by.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/**Voice)
> >>>> bdennis_at_ine.com
> >>>>
> >>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >>>> http://www.INE.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 04/11/2012 02:35 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I just purchased ciscopress ccie r&s exam cert guide 4th edition,
> >>>>> since I had 3rd in which there was nothing about OER and PfR. I must
> >>>>> say that the quality of that subject in new edition of the book is
> >>>>> really poor. One config example without any explanations and without
> >>>>> any topology diagrams. Nothing that can help someone to understand
> the
> >>>>> topic.
> >>>>> So, my question is how deep this subject goes in potential task at
> >>>>> exam? How much time should I spend on it since it can be very complex
> >>>>> feature? The book says:
> >>>>> "As you will see as you explore PfR more deeply, it is remarkably
> >>>>> powerful. As you would expect, it also has many configuration
> options.
> >>>>> For the CCIE R&S qualifying exam, you should understand the concepts
> >>>>> of PfR and how it operates and its core functionality."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>
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