Re: Studying for my fourth attempt

Okay, okay. We all have bad days. Let it go, and let's post some actual technical questions!

Regards,
Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
Sent from iJay

On Jun 24, 2012, at 6:37 AM, Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> i always had a feeling that joe might be having High B.P and easily looses
> his clam and starts complaining every now and then .
>
> techincally i saw *him very less* helping people here than lashing them
>
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 2:55 AM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You just sunk his battleship!
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> totally agreed with you Derek,
>>>
>>> OER is very big topic! I guess Leah have used very generic term "OER".
>>> It's just like saying I failed in BGP question.
>>> I don't see NDA violation here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 5:40 AM, Derek Fink <cciedonkey_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Saying "After getting destroyed by topics such as OER on my last 2
>>>> attempts" is NOT a NDA violation. OER is listed on the blueprint, and
>>>> saying "topics such as OER" simply implies topics not considered
>>>> "foundation topics".
>>>>
>>>> Being specific on how OER was presented in the lab would be a violation,
>>>> but that is nowhere near what Leigh said.
>>>>
>>>> I feel like I have wasted the last 5 minutes of my life even reading and
>>>> responding to this thread, but I don't like seeing CCIE's flaming
>>>> candidates for no reason.
>>>>
>>>> Best of luck with your journey Leigh! Joe, get a life!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:28 PM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> CCIE isn't about working harder... It is about working smarter ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Joseph L. Brunner
>>>>> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> They work harder than we do I have met enough CCIE s to learn
>>>> having a
>>>>>> 36 waist makes me Young Brad Pit compared to you guys J****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* marc edwards [mailto:renorider_at_gmail.com]
>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:23 PM
>>>>>> *To:* Joseph L. Brunner
>>>>>> *Cc:* Leigh Finch; Jazz Sunn; Cisco certification
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Studying for my fourth attempt****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comparing a CCIE to a theme park employee? That statement, in
>> itself,
>>>>> just
>>>>>> devalued the cert more than any NDA violation I have seen on this
>>>> forum.
>>>>> *
>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marc****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Joseph L. Brunner <
>>>>>> joe_at_affirmedsystems.com> wrote:****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If OER wasn't on your lab attempt why even mention it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Forget how much money I spent on my CCIE, I would care less how you
>>>> get
>>>>>> your number or not - think about the people at Cisco that work hard
>> to
>>>>>> bring you the test...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind of like the characters at Disney World that get up at 5 am for
>>>>>> rehearsals and wait around until the park opens each day, so 1000's
>> of
>>>>>> happy kids can rush into see them! Or Astronauts that spend 10 to 20
>>>>> years
>>>>>> in the military to earn the CHANCE to even APPLY for the space
>>>> program...
>>>>>> someone did something you didn't do so you could just watch...
>> that's
>>>>> this
>>>>>> test...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you're really worthy of the test you'll respect it and just pass
>>>> it -
>>>>>> who needs to know what you got tested on the day you failed or pass?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, whether you respect it or not that your business - but be
>> warned
>>>>>> there is an NDA and who knows what could happen if Cisco employees
>>>> are on
>>>>>> this forum looking for specific examples of NDA violations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of
>>>>>> Leigh Finch****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:38 PM
>>>>>> To: Jazz Sunn
>>>>>> Cc: Cisco certification
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Studying for my fourth attempt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jazz,
>>>>>> Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't mean to suggest that OER was
>>>> in my
>>>>>> last two attempts (I should have worded that better). I meant to use
>>>> OER
>>>>> as
>>>>>> a placeholder for a complex topic that I need to work on (and has
>>>> been a
>>>>>> popular topic on this forum of late).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> leigh****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 21/06/12 10:33 AM, Jazz Sunn wrote:
>>>>>>> Leigh, lots of people react before thinking. Joesph's likely
>>>> invested
>>>>>>> a large amount of time, engery and money for his number, and as a
>>>>>>> result I'm sure the first hint he or anyone else in his position
>>>> gets
>>>>>>> that someone's attempting to devalue their credential, they lash
>>>> out.
>>>>>>> I'm assuming this was triggered by you stating OER was a topic for
>>>>>>> your last two attempts. However, it's clearly documented at 2.8 of
>>>> the
>>>>>>> R&S blueprint that OER is a topic you are expected to master for
>> the
>>>>>>> exam. I'm not sure you would have received the same had you said
>> BGP
>>>>>>> gave you a hard time.
>>>>>>> I have a blog, lots of my friends do, lots of people on this list
>>>> do.
>>>>>>> Writing about topics in an educational delivery model, blog or
>> wiki,
>>>>>>> helps reinforce your understanding of it. I for one encourage you
>> do
>>>>>>> to so, and look forward to reading some of your efforts.
>>>>>>> Good luck!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Leigh Finch <
>> leigh_at_leighfinch.net
>>>> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <mailto:leigh_at_leighfinch.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At no point have I stated what was in my labs. My wiki is not
>>>>>>> designed to be a dump site. I have not written about what was
>> in
>>>>>>> my labs. I'm covering broad topics with areas I need to work
>> on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I won't post about it again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, leigh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 21/06/12 9:42 AM, Joseph L. Brunner wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This should read - "After getting walked out by the
>> Proctors
>>>>>>> or denied my lab booking for BREAKING THE NDA by divulging
>>>>>>> what I faced on my previous attempts".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please let's be professional and not turn this into a dump
>>>>>>> board - you don't need to tell anyone (except your priest,
>>>>>>> rabbi, imam, wife or attorney) what was on your CCIE lab
>>>> exam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>> #19366
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:
>> nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>> ]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Leigh Finch
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:03 PM
>>>>>>> To: Cisco certification
>>>>>>> Subject: Studying for my fourth attempt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>> I'm starting to ramp up for my fourth attempt. After
>> getting
>>>>>>> destroyed by topics such as OER on my last 2 attempts.
>> I've
>>>>>>> decided to start writing wiki articles for each topic of
>> the
>>>>>>> blueprint to ensure, I know something about every topic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I won't be writing everything about a topic, but I'll try
>> my
>>>>>>> best to be correct. Hopefully, if I'm confident enough to
>>>>>>> publish something, I know it well enough and I'm not
>>>> cheating
>>>>>>> myself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The first article I've written about is NTP. The rest of
>> the
>>>>>>> wiki is just a skeleton at the moment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://leighfinch.net/cisco_wiki/index.php/Network_Time_Protocol
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you see something wrong please unicast me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers, leigh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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