Re: Studying for my fourth attempt

I am also studying for my fourth attempt. I spend time reading very
informative posts in GS (especially as of late). This list has also been
the best access to the top vendors. Occasionally it can run off topic or ,
in this case, get heated. I am sure Joe hasn't looked at the blue print in
a while based on his responses. OER is a massive topic and just the
high-level blanketed statement of 'things like OER' is not NDA.

I do think Joe has a good intent. But more important of being respectful of
NDA is to have respect for each other. I am sorry if some of my comments
got off kilter. I found this post some comic relief... Again the title
having a lot of relevance in my circumstance.

Leigh. Keep posting and don't lose confidence.

Much respect.

Marc

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Sadiq Yakasai <sadiqtanko_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> I also agree - Joe whines about like a baby! He needs to carry more
> positive energy around here!
>
> Sadiq
>
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> i always had a feeling that joe might be having High B.P and easily looses
>> his clam and starts complaining every now and then .
>>
>> techincally i saw *him very less* helping people here than lashing them
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 2:55 AM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > You just sunk his battleship!
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com
>> > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > totally agreed with you Derek,
>> > >
>> > > OER is very big topic! I guess Leah have used very generic term "OER".
>> > > It's just like saying I failed in BGP question.
>> > > I don't see NDA violation here.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 5:40 AM, Derek Fink <cciedonkey_at_gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Saying "After getting destroyed by topics such as OER on my last 2
>> > >> attempts" is NOT a NDA violation. OER is listed on the blueprint,
>> and
>> > >> saying "topics such as OER" simply implies topics not considered
>> > >> "foundation topics".
>> > >>
>> > >> Being specific on how OER was presented in the lab would be a
>> violation,
>> > >> but that is nowhere near what Leigh said.
>> > >>
>> > >> I feel like I have wasted the last 5 minutes of my life even reading
>> and
>> > >> responding to this thread, but I don't like seeing CCIE's flaming
>> > >> candidates for no reason.
>> > >>
>> > >> Best of luck with your journey Leigh! Joe, get a life!
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:28 PM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > CCIE isn't about working harder... It is about working smarter ;)
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Joseph L. Brunner
>> > >> > <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > > They work harder than we do I have met enough CCIE s to learn
>> > >> having a
>> > >> > > 36 waist makes me Young Brad Pit compared to you guys J****
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > ** **
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > *From:* marc edwards [mailto:renorider_at_gmail.com]
>> > >> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:23 PM
>> > >> > > *To:* Joseph L. Brunner
>> > >> > > *Cc:* Leigh Finch; Jazz Sunn; Cisco certification
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > *Subject:* Re: Studying for my fourth attempt****
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > ** **
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Comparing a CCIE to a theme park employee? That statement, in
>> > itself,
>> > >> > just
>> > >> > > devalued the cert more than any NDA violation I have seen on this
>> > >> forum.
>> > >> > *
>> > >> > > ***
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > ** **
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Regards,****
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > ** **
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Marc****
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Joseph L. Brunner <
>> > >> > > joe_at_affirmedsystems.com> wrote:****
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > If OER wasn't on your lab attempt why even mention it?
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Forget how much money I spent on my CCIE, I would care less how
>> you
>> > >> get
>> > >> > > your number or not - think about the people at Cisco that work
>> hard
>> > to
>> > >> > > bring you the test...
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Kind of like the characters at Disney World that get up at 5 am
>> for
>> > >> > > rehearsals and wait around until the park opens each day, so
>> 1000's
>> > of
>> > >> > > happy kids can rush into see them! Or Astronauts that spend 10
>> to 20
>> > >> > years
>> > >> > > in the military to earn the CHANCE to even APPLY for the space
>> > >> program...
>> > >> > > someone did something you didn't do so you could just watch...
>> > that's
>> > >> > this
>> > >> > > test...
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > If you're really worthy of the test you'll respect it and just
>> pass
>> > >> it -
>> > >> > > who needs to know what you got tested on the day you failed or
>> pass?
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Also, whether you respect it or not that your business - but be
>> > warned
>> > >> > > there is an NDA and who knows what could happen if Cisco
>> employees
>> > >> are on
>> > >> > > this forum looking for specific examples of NDA violations.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Thanks,
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Joe****
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > >> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>> > Behalf
>> > >> Of
>> > >> > > Leigh Finch****
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:38 PM
>> > >> > > To: Jazz Sunn
>> > >> > > Cc: Cisco certification
>> > >> > > Subject: Re: Studying for my fourth attempt
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Hi Jazz,
>> > >> > > Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't mean to suggest that OER
>> was
>> > >> in my
>> > >> > > last two attempts (I should have worded that better). I meant to
>> use
>> > >> OER
>> > >> > as
>> > >> > > a placeholder for a complex topic that I need to work on (and has
>> > >> been a
>> > >> > > popular topic on this forum of late).
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > leigh****
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > On 21/06/12 10:33 AM, Jazz Sunn wrote:
>> > >> > > > Leigh, lots of people react before thinking. Joesph's likely
>> > >> invested
>> > >> > > > a large amount of time, engery and money for his number, and
>> as a
>> > >> > > > result I'm sure the first hint he or anyone else in his
>> position
>> > >> gets
>> > >> > > > that someone's attempting to devalue their credential, they
>> lash
>> > >> out.
>> > >> > > > I'm assuming this was triggered by you stating OER was a topic
>> for
>> > >> > > > your last two attempts. However, it's clearly documented at
>> 2.8 of
>> > >> the
>> > >> > > > R&S blueprint that OER is a topic you are expected to master
>> for
>> > the
>> > >> > > > exam. I'm not sure you would have received the same had you
>> said
>> > BGP
>> > >> > > > gave you a hard time.
>> > >> > > > I have a blog, lots of my friends do, lots of people on this
>> list
>> > >> do.
>> > >> > > > Writing about topics in an educational delivery model, blog or
>> > wiki,
>> > >> > > > helps reinforce your understanding of it. I for one encourage
>> you
>> > do
>> > >> > > > to so, and look forward to reading some of your efforts.
>> > >> > > > Good luck!
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Leigh Finch <
>> > leigh_at_leighfinch.net
>> > >> ****
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > > <mailto:leigh_at_leighfinch.net>> wrote:
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > At no point have I stated what was in my labs. My wiki is
>> not
>> > >> > > > designed to be a dump site. I have not written about what
>> was
>> > in
>> > >> > > > my labs. I'm covering broad topics with areas I need to
>> work
>> > on.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > I won't post about it again.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > Thanks, leigh
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > On 21/06/12 9:42 AM, Joseph L. Brunner wrote:
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > This should read - "After getting walked out by the
>> > Proctors
>> > >> > > > or denied my lab booking for BREAKING THE NDA by
>> divulging
>> > >> > > > what I faced on my previous attempts".
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > Please let's be professional and not turn this into a
>> dump
>> > >> > > > board - you don't need to tell anyone (except your
>> priest,
>> > >> > > > rabbi, imam, wife or attorney) what was on your CCIE
>> lab
>> > >> exam.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > Thanks,
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > Joe
>> > >> > > > #19366
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > >> > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:
>> nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>> > >> >****
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > > [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:
>> > nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>> > >> >]
>> > >> > > > On Behalf Of Leigh Finch
>> > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:03 PM
>> > >> > > > To: Cisco certification
>> > >> > > > Subject: Studying for my fourth attempt
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > Hi Everyone,
>> > >> > > > I'm starting to ramp up for my fourth attempt. After
>> > getting
>> > >> > > > destroyed by topics such as OER on my last 2 attempts.
>> > I've
>> > >> > > > decided to start writing wiki articles for each topic
>> of
>> > the
>> > >> > > > blueprint to ensure, I know something about every
>> topic.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > I won't be writing everything about a topic, but I'll
>> try
>> > my
>> > >> > > > best to be correct. Hopefully, if I'm confident enough
>> to
>> > >> > > > publish something, I know it well enough and I'm not
>> > >> cheating
>> > >> > > > myself.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > The first article I've written about is NTP. The rest
>> of
>> > the
>> > >> > > > wiki is just a skeleton at the moment.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >****
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > >
>> http://leighfinch.net/cisco_wiki/index.php/Network_Time_Protocol
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > If you see something wrong please unicast me.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > Cheers, leigh
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >
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>> > >> > > >****
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > >
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