Re: VTP Server and Transparent

Marc is a CCIE as well. He just fails to put it on his signature (humbly).

Regards,
Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
Sent from iJay

On Jun 24, 2012, at 3:42 PM, john matijevic <john.matijevic_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Marc,
>
> I disagree with your statement:
> "
>> This will be my last post on this thread, but the thing is you have
>> lectured 3 or 4 CCIE's about "making assumptions" in this thread,"
>
> there are only 2 CCIE that I am aware on this thread, Jay, and
> Narbik, I was also a CCIE but expired. I did not in any way lecture 3
> or 4 CCIE's I am simply trying to help clarify and understand the
> question Don was asking.
>
> I disagree with your statement:
>
> "
>> This will be my last post on this thread, but the thing is you have
>> lectured 3 or 4 CCIE's about "making assumptions" in this thread, and it is
>> you who still doesn't seem to understand the nature of the original
>> question."
> "
> I am here to help and the question was ambiguous period!
> Don clarified and the answer was given, if that helps Don or not
> better understand the technologies, I don't know, but I provided
> reference material and configuration so hopefully he can lab up and
> test.
>
> I also disagree with the following statement:
> "
> Now let me state another thing about "making assumptions" in the lab. There
>> will likely come a time on the lab when it doesn't appear they have given
>> you enough information to make a selection of multiple answers.
>
> "
>
> The CCIE exam if you understand the technologies well enough there's
> enough information to configure whats being asked to you. If you don't
> know how to configure a particular topic or understand a question that
> is given to you, perhaps you did not spend enough time mastering the
> technology.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> John
>
>
> On 6/24/12, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> John,
>>
>> This will be my last post on this thread, but the thing is you have
>> lectured 3 or 4 CCIE's about "making assumptions" in this thread, and it is
>> you who still doesn't seem to understand the nature of the original
>> question. To me the question boils down to this.
>>
>> What constitutes "all vlans".
>>
>> Does it mean
>>
>> A. All possible VLANs? 1-4094
>> B. All possible VLANs that the switch currently supports based on VTP
>> status? 1-1005
>> C. All active VLANs
>>
>> Your answer to do a show VLAN brief will lead him to answer C, which in my
>> mind will cause him to get 0 points on this question if it specified "All
>> VLANs"
>>
>> I vote for answer A.
>>
>>
>> Now let me state another thing about "making assumptions" in the lab. There
>> will likely come a time on the lab when it doesn't appear they have given
>> you enough information to make a selection of multiple answers. In this
>> case two things are likely.
>>
>> A. You don't understand the protocol well enough and there is subtle
>> information that you are missing.
>>
>> B. That more than one solution is valid and since they didn't specify which
>> one you can use your discretion.
>>
>> Now the thing about B, is that you have to have confidence in your
>> knowledge here. Otherwise you may waste time worrying about which answer to
>> select rather than confidently knowing which options are available to you
>> and just picking one. Sometimes you just have to make an assumption or you
>> will be paralyzed with fear in the lab.
>>
>>
>> -Marc
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 3:04 PM, john matijevic
>> <john.matijevic_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Jay,
>>>
>>> I am not making this a bigger issue than it is. This is very important
>>> to get a clear set of requirements on the question. To assume what the
>>> intent of the question is a big mistake and even more costly mistake
>>> in the real world. Don clarified after I asked him to, and was able to
>>> give him a logical explanation.
>>>
>>> I am here to help and learn and pass the exam is the goal of everyone
>>> on the list.
>>>
>>> If Don doesn't understand a particular part of technology, I am
>>> curious as to what his misunderstanding is, so that I can help and at
>>> the same time make sure that I understand what he is having trouble
>>> with.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/24/12, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> John- you are making this a much bigger issue than it is. Don't
>>>> question
>>> is
>>>> valid.
>>>>
>>>> No harm in setting all possible VLAN's as root, even when in server
>>>> mode.
>>>> This will cover the requirement, in case you fail to read ahead and
>>>> later
>>>> down in the lab there is an indirect requirement to put a switch into
>>>> transparent mode.
>>>>
>>>> Many of the various IE vendors have embedded this into us many, many
>>> times.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
>>>> Sent from iJay
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 24, 2012, at 12:15 PM, john matijevic <john.matijevic_at_gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Good afternoon Jay,
>>>>>
>>>>> I wouldnt take anything for ganted and assume nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> What Don is asking is important for eveyone on this list, so that we
>>>>> can all try and learn and pass the exam. It's important to understand
>>>>> what is it that Don is lacking that asks him to post a question here
>>>>> on the forum. If the question is ambiguous, or if Don knows more about
>>>>> the scenerio due to diagrams and configurations, he may just have a
>>>>> specific piece that he is uncertain of, but has not given us all the
>>>>> full details of the scenerio he is working with.
>>>>>
>>>>> Weather its a spanning-tree or VTP task who knows? Without more detail
>>>>> information it be a mistake to assume anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a dangerous mindset to have is to assume especially when it
>>>>> comes to not only the CCIE lab exam but real world networking, and
>>>>> working with customers/clients.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/24/12, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> This just covers you, no matter what the situation. All VLAN's means
>>> all
>>>>>> VLAN's, in any situation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
>>>>>> Sent from iJay
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 24, 2012, at 12:02 PM, john matijevic
>>>>>> <john.matijevic_at_gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good Morning Jay,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please post on how you agree, also post where you got this question
>>>>>>> from?
>>>>>>> Also please be more specific on covers you if it moves to
>>>>>>> transparent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> again vague, also please post diagram and configs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is a vague question by Don, I apologize to Marc, the question
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> directed towards Don.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/24/12, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I agree: 1-4094. This always covers you if it moves to transparent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
>>>>>>>> Sent from iJay
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 24, 2012, at 9:36 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would choose 1-4094.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Don Rajaratne
>>>>>>>>> <don.rajaratne_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> May be this is a silly one .. :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Its like this... Its a vtp server and client scenario. If the
>>>>>>>>>> question
>>>>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>>>>> the server has to be primary root for all the vlan what is the
>>> range
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> to choose? Is it 1-4094? or 1-1005?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I know only transparent mode supports up to 4094 and server mode
>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> 1005. But, I have seen some workbooks have selected 1-4094 even
>>>>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>>> on server mode.Any harm by doing this??
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you all..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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