Re: CCIE certification value.

We don't forget... We just misplace. ;)

Scott Morris, CCIEx4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,

CCDE #2009::D, CCNP-Voice, JNCIE-SP #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.

IPv6 Gold Certified Engineer, IPv6 Gold Certified Trainer

CCSI #21903, JNCI-SP, JNCI-ER

swm_at_emanon.com

Knowledge is power.

Power corrupts.

Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......

On 7/3/12 9:53 AM, Arista Wirawan wrote:

  Old guy tend to forget ;)

  Best Regards,

  Arista

  On Jul 3, 2012 7:16 AM, "Scott Morris" <swm_at_emanon.com> wrote:

    What's wrong with the old guys? ;)

    *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
    #4713,

    CCDE #2009::D, CCNP-Voice, JNCIE-SP #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP,
    et al.

    IPv6 Gold Certified Engineer, IPv6 Gold Certified Trainer

    CCSI #21903, JNCI-SP, JNCI-ER

    swm_at_emanon.com

    Knowledge is power.

    Power corrupts.

    Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......

    On 7/2/12 7:59 AM, Joseph L. Brunner wrote:
>> older the number, the more cautious I am of a candidate I'm
    interviewing...
> Wiser words never spoken...
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
    Behalf Of Jay McMickle
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 7:16 AM
> To: shekhar sharma
> Cc: Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: CCIE certification value.
>
> I've seen twice replies coming in, and would like to offer my
    opinion as well.
>
> As a Technical Lead, as well as a hiring manager, I interview
    quit a few candidates. Most are CCIE's, or nearing it.
>
> I would like to mention that a CCIE isn't the ends to all
    means. It may mean that they once were great, but have moves into
    a role that doesn't engage those skills.
>
> Not to irritate any others here, but I'm sure some will admit,
    the older the number, the more cautious I am of a candidate I'm
    interviewing. I interviewed a double IE with a 9xxx number, that
    had forgotten BGP backdoor and BGP local-as (to help transition
    BGP numbers in our case).
>
> A skill/cert is like your windshield wipers. Don't use them and
    after a period of time, they won't work either. ;)
>
> It's all about the skillset that the Engineer is fresh with. I
    once heard that you are never as good as you once were, right
    before your passing of your IE (quote Narbik).
>
> To be honest, I passed 2 months ago, and I can't recall all of
    the frame-relay and OSPF tricks I learned as I don't work with
    either in my environment (MPLS, BGP, and EIGRP).
>
> Stay fresh on your skills and never become complaicent.
>
> Happy labbing.
>
> Regards,
> Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
> Sent from iJay
>
> On Jul 2, 2012, at 2:27 AM, shekhar sharma <shekhar.sharma21_at_gmail.com>
    wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> First of all , before sharing anything , I want to say that I
    mean no
>> offense to anybody or any certifications.
>>
>> Just want you people to share your views on CCIE
    certification value.
>>
>> I am very upset with my experience with 3 CCIE certified
    candidates
>>
>> I was interviewing 3 CCIE candidates for my company
    requirement,
>> although I am not a CCIE ...am preparing for the LAB,just
    cleared the written.
>>
>> Out of three , two guys are CCIE(R&S) Lab certified and one is
    dual
>> CCIE(R&S + Service Provider).
>>
>> The first candidate was average on theortical knowledge on
    various
>> technologies that I didn't expect form a CCIE .But the main
    part is
>> that he doesn't have any practical knowledge on the actual
>> implementation in real world.
>>
>> The second candidate was below average on theortical knowledge
    ,not
>> able to answer even few OSPF questions and forget about the
    practical
>> part. He too was zero on it.
>>
>> Now the third candidate who is dual CCIE .He is working in
    Cisco. I
>> was expecting a lot from him. He was good on the technical
    knowledge
>> ...not as good as I expected......but again on the
    implementation part he was zero.
>>
>> Don't you guys think that Cisco certifications have become a
>> ediucation buisness.I could be wrong in saying that but... i
    think the
>> trend has changed now ....and everyone is running for just
>> certification not becoming actual IE.
>>
>> And this is affecting a lot the value of CCIE certification
    .....
>>
>> Again I mean no offense to anyone who is preparing for
    CCIE...I am too
>> preparing for LAB ,,, and some of the assumptions I have made
    could
>> be wrong.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Shekhar
>>
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