Re: CCIE Service Providerv3 - General Question

Guys, take this offline please.

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On 30/10/2012, at 5:06 PM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:

> Narbik,
> The company that sponsors you for your Cisco Learning partnership
> (Skyline-ATS) contacted us about a partnership about a year ago. After
> telling them how well we're doing and fast INE is growing (making Inc 5000
> for the third year in a row next year) they said that we would be "out of
> our minds" to become Cisco authorized. We of course wouldn't do it
> anyways because I could never teach the 360 CCIE classes knowing that I
> only have really 2.5 to 3 days of real instruction between the labs they
> have do during the class. I mean they fly in for a 5 day CCIE class and
> the first day they give you an assessment? Why waste a whole day on an
> assessment? It's only a 5 day class. Why not have them take the
> assessment before they come to the class? Or how about the "authorized"
> Cisco 360 videos where you can buy a single 90 minute video with a lab for
> $395. People need to be able to pay with Cisco Learning Credits (CLCs)
> because no one in their right mind would fork out $395 cash for 90 minutes
> of video on one topic. Where do they come up with this pricing? Wall
> Street? Maybe since Cisco says less than 1% of people are Cisco CCIE
> certified the pricing is for the 1% ;-)
>
> Additionally not being Cisco authorized means I can offer scholarships
> like we did this year (http://ine.co/2tv4w). I can offer affordable
> training to people in "developing" countries. I can offer products DRM
> free (i.e. No LockLizard). The products are the customer's as they paid
> for it so they can use it as they see fit. Now when I get to the point
> I'm only concerned with the money and don't care helping people, then I'll
> become Cisco authorized and sell those $395 90 minute single Cisco 360
> videos over the $299 80+ hour video series we currently offer. Or by
> going authorized I'll be able to offer everything locked down with
> LockLizard so everyone is penalized because a few people pirate the
> material.
>
> I know that you promised everyone that you would not respond to this
> thread anymore but feel free since you already responded a few times since
> then. I'm sure you'll want to chime in as to why you use LockLizard over
> doing what INE does by being 100% DRM free.
>
> Lastly I know that I'm a little "light hearted" in some of my wording but
> the overall discussion of why INE never went Cisco authorized is a
> question that I get from time to time but not often from anyone who has
> "experienced" Cisco authorized training. Usually then the question
> answers itself ;-)
>
>
>
> --
> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
> bdennis_at_ine.com
>
> INE, Inc.
> http://www.INE.com
>
>
>
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> On 10/29/12 5:55 PM, "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Kenneth,
>>
>> Knowing the basics is VERY important, besides some of the obvious
>> subjects,
>> you have lots of other ones that Cisco has added to the cert, maybe
>> students don't need to take the actual CCNA-SP but a combo CCNA-CCNP SP
>> boot camp will work better as a foundation class to the CCIE-SP.
>> There are many benefits doing these classes through a Cisco Learning
>> Partner (CLP), and one of them is the fact that you can use CLCs.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Kenneth Ratliff <dayne_at_cluebat.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/26/12 7:29 PM, "Brian McGahan" <bmcgahan_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Right, there are obviously differences between the two OSes, both in
>>>> hardware and software, but for any true CCIE this should not be an
>>> issue.
>>>> The point of the CCIE is to obtain the level of expert in network
>>>> engineering. As an expert you should have a deep theoretical knowledge
>>>> of why and how different networking technologies work. OSPF is OSPF,
>>> BGP
>>>> is BGP, whether it's on IOS, IOS XR, NX-OS, JunOS, etc.
>>>
>>> Yeah, that's the kind of viewpoint that causes outages. When you start
>>> thinking like this, you tend to make some very, very bad assumptions. Of
>>> course, you might live you in a world where vendors never change options
>>> or defaults between platforms or even OS revisions on the same platform,
>>> never mind the consideration of interoperability.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What I'm saying is that if you're a CCIE in R&S - an *expert* in
>>> Routing
>>>> & Switching technologies - and you need to start back at CCNA level for
>>>> the Service Provider track, then you have failed. You've failed
>>> yourself
>>>> as you've missed the entire point of CCIE to begin with.
>>>
>>> There's something about this I find to be fairly offensive, and quite a
>>> bit elitist. Do you honestly believe that achieving a CCIE means you
>>> never
>>> have to go back to basics? You never have to review? That you don't have
>>> that much to learn?
>>>
>>> When you're dealing with an unfamiliar platform and a new OS, I think
>>> it's
>>> prudent to probably start with the basics. I'd expect a CCIE to be able
>>> to
>>> breeze through it, since it should simply be a matter of reconciling the
>>> differences with what you already know, but to say that you've failed
>>> yourself by making an attempt to cover all the bases? I think that's a
>>> bit
>>> too cavalier.
>>>
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