Re: Locklizard

LOL for sure! Thanks for the chuckle.

Regards,
Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2013, at 12:35 PM, "Tim Cribbs Jr." <tmcribbs_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Great entertainment, indeed. I heard the grenade roll into the room as soon
as I read LockLizard. lol ;)
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:26 PM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> The bootcamp I sat from INE was a free ride. They also offer sholarships
on
>> annual basis for many who maybe otherwise couldn't afford or couldn't
>> attend under normal circumstances. During my seesion w/INE in San Jose, I
>> met a few re seats that didn't pay a full fee or anything at all for
resit.
>> I also beleive that they hosted free CCDE trainings for a while. One was
>> taught by CCDE #2013::13 ;)
>>
>> Soemtimes these tiffs can be distracting. But to what extent... I don't
>> know. Sometimes it is OK to be distracted I guess. Makes for entertainment
>> and some interesting classroom discussions in which no training company is
>> left out of.
>>
>> Marc Edwards
>> CCIE #38259
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Jay McMickle
<jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>> > Very nice, and good to know! My apologies as I have not contacted sales
to
>> > ask.
>> >
>> > (I'll be over here in the corner....let me know when I can get out of
time
>> > out...)
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Apr 11, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Jay,
>> > > You have to pay $3000+ for a "reseat" in an INE bootcamp? Really?
Here
>> > > is what our sales team will tell you:
>> > >
>> > >> Bootcamp reseats (all tracks) are free for the class itself if they
have
>> > >> their own racks, if they require our rack rentals then there is a
rack
>> > >> rental fee required:
>> > >> B7 $500 for a 1 week class.
>> > >> B7 $1000 for a 2 week class.
>> > >
>> > >> CCIE R&S bootcamp reseats at our Seattle, WA location are completely
>> > >> free. Includes INE rack access.
>> > >> Note that the $500 a week for the rack is cheaper than renting a rack
>> > >> directly with us.
>> > >
>> > > Also as far the "periodic special-maybe" basis goes we've had on
average
>> > 3
>> > > reseats per bootcamp over the past 12 months.
>> > >
>> > > Lastly if someone just quotes an old blog post of mine they get the
rack
>> > > rental fee waived for all locations ;-)
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
http://blog.ine.com/2012/03/23/ines-rs-ccie-bootcamp-update-new-racks-new-s
>> > > tructure-reseats-and-scholarships-for-2012/
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>> > > bdennis_at_ine.com
>> > >
>> > > INE, Inc.
>> > > http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 4/11/13 6:42 AM, "Jay McMickle" <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I love this banter!
>> > >>
>> > >> You are arguing about the inconvenience of a vendor to protect their
>> > >> investment?
>> > >>
>> > >> If the Brian's at INE are big-ballers and are okay with their
workbooks
>> > >> on bit-torrent, that's their preference. I believe I read one of
them
>> > >> make a joke about this last time this came up in fact!
>> > >>
>> > >> I mean this with respect to Narbik- he's a small business that puts
hard
>> > >> work into his teaching and materials, just as the Brian's do. Both
>> > >> material is excellent. Narbik let's you attend his retake his
bootcamps
>> > >> for free.
>> > >>
>> > >> The Brian's simply have a different business model and it works well
for
>> > >> them.
>> > >>
>> > >> You're upset about the security restraints placed on Narbik's $350
>> > >> workbook, but not the fact you have to pay $3000+ to retake an INE
boot
>> > >> camp (I don't believe that they offer free retakes on a regular
basis,
>> > >> but might have a periodic special-maybe). Hmm. I think I see the
point
>> > >> here- you want the longer term workbook for free.
>> > >>
>> > >> Final point- you may be upset because you can't use you 10" tablet to
>> > >> read the workbooks while you lab. Consider a second 24" $150 monitor,
>> > >> perhaps?
>> > >>
>> > >> Happy labbing- cheers!
>> > >>
>> > >> Regards,
>> > >> Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
>> > >> Sent from my iPhone
>> > >>
>> > >> On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:51 AM, David Rothera <david.rothera_at_gmail.com>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> You seem to be misunderstanding my stance on this. At no time do I
>> > >>> condone piracy for IE workbooks, I have paid for in full every
single
>> > of
>> > >>> training material that I used.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> What I am trying to say is that the workbooks are going to be
pirated
>> > >>> no matter which way you go about it and I feel that the approach
that
>> > >>> INE have of simply not using DRM in the first place is the correct
one,
>> > >>> it means I can sign into my members page, download the PDF and use
it
>> > >>> however I choose (Android, iOS, Mac, PC, Print) and am not limited
in
>> > >>> how many devices or in the PDF reader I must use.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> --
>> > >>> David Rothera
>> > >>> CCIE #38338
>> > >>> david.rothera_at_gmail.com
>> > >>> M: 07584060207
>> > >>> W: networkbroadcast.co.uk
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Thursday, 11 April 2013 at 10:45, JB Poplawski wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> I like how the first guy to reply is the Co-founder of the most
>> > >>>> pirated IE Workbooks around!
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> What one person receives without working for, another person must
work
>> > >>>> for without receiving.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> David, let me know when you can photograph a wedding, I'd like to
>> > >>>> commission you for free. I got a few gigs you can do here in the
>> > >>>> States. If you don't mind flying over here and working for free...
:)
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> -JB
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Shane Killian
>> > >>>> <shane_at_shanekillian.net (mailto:shane_at_shanekillian.net)> wrote:
>> > >>>>> My experience is this -
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> I have purchased products that use DRM (e.g. LockLizard) but for
me
>> > >>>>> its
>> > >>>>> easier to use my INE products instead of messing about with
>> > Locklizard
>> > >>>>> between computers, iPad, Android etc.
>> > >>>>> This is something that you remember as a customer (this was my
first
>> > >>>>> experience with LockLizard) and when you are a vendor, its
important
>> > >>>>> to
>> > >>>>> remember that reputation and experiences are **everything**.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> I think that "Vendor X" (without DRM) is well aware that
material
>> > >>>>> can be
>> > >>>>> found online and shared but I would guess that there approach is
to
>> > >>>>> make a
>> > >>>>> product so good that you can't **not** buy it.
>> > >>>>> This is an intelligent move. I think at the end of the day, the
>> > >>>>> people that
>> > >>>>> were going to buy the material will buy the material and the
people
>> > >>>>> that
>> > >>>>> weren't going to - won't.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> I would be interested to see the contribution of time and effort
>> > >>>>> invested
>> > >>>>> in DRM being used to create, improve and deliver products more
>> > >>>>> efficiently.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Joseph L. Brunner
>> > >>>>> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com (mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com)>wrote:
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>> I have to disagree David. And I'll give you a level headed
>> > >>>>>> explanation...
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> China, other countries, blatantly infringe on intellectual
property
>> > >>>>>> copyrights. Their entire economy and culture is built on breaking
>> > the
>> > >>>>>> rules...
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> In Beijing, if you are corrupt politician - you had better be
>> > >>>>>> playing for
>> > >>>>>> "the right side."
>> > >>>>>> In NYC, you have FBI agents at your door at 6am as we saw last
week
>> > >>>>>> when
>> > >>>>>> they grabbed a few more democrat NYS senators in Queens :) Aha
loved
>> > >>>>>> to say
>> > >>>>>> that... good riddens...
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> In Beijing if you counterfeit CD's & DVD's - you have a green
light
>> > >>>>>> to do
>> > >>>>>> so.
>> > >>>>>> In NYC if you counterfeit Louis Vuitton handbags - you get like a
17
>> > >>>>>> year
>> > >>>>>> jail sentence in the Federal lock up.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> American culture values intellectual property. The time,
resources
>> > >>>>>> and
>> > >>>>>> materials the entrepreneur invested into his product, business or
>> > >>>>>> service
>> > >>>>>> deserves a system where his investment is protected. For the same
>> > >>>>>> reason a
>> > >>>>>> Military general can't seize your home to build an Olympic
stadium
>> > >>>>>> without
>> > >>>>>> due process. Or his son cant rape your daughter without the fear
of
>> > >>>>>> doing
>> > >>>>>> hard jail time. In America, if you take something that doesn't
>> > >>>>>> belong to
>> > >>>>>> you there are harsh consequences...
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Now, we all know without calling a duck the guy quacking at the
end
>> > >>>>>> of the
>> > >>>>>> bar, many CCIE candidates happen to be from counties where
copyright
>> > >>>>>> enforcement has a pretty piss poor history.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Why should Narbik be forced to give his product away for free
>> > because
>> > >>>>>> someone is too lazy or stupid to comply with DRM?
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> You own DVD's or Bluerays right? Those are encrypted. If you
broke
>> > >>>>>> the
>> > >>>>>> encryption to clone or copy the DVD that's on you. Keep doing it
and
>> > >>>>>> see
>> > >>>>>> what happens when the lawyers of Universal and Fox News Subpoena
>> > >>>>>> your Fios
>> > >>>>>> IP. Got $500,000 in legal fees handy against a $500,000
settlement.
>> > >>>>>> Take
>> > >>>>>> your pick...
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> In the end the royalties paid to Narbik for his time and hard
work
>> > >>>>>> will
>> > >>>>>> improve his family's quality of life, put his grandkids through
>> > >>>>>> college
>> > >>>>>> (he's like 97, right?), help him pay his taxes, fix his teeth,
keep
>> > >>>>>> new
>> > >>>>>> fresh Michy's on his car so he doesn't have an accident, buy his
>> > >>>>>> health
>> > >>>>>> insurance so he can stay healthy and teaching CCIE lab courses...
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> If you are not in favor of his DRM - then perhaps with your newly
>> > >>>>>> minted
>> > >>>>>> CCIE you can work for $35 an hour and send me the cash???
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Joe Brunner
>> > >>>>>> C/O Borgata High Roller's Tables, with the 5' 4" Dominican hottie
on
>> > >>>>>> his
>> > >>>>>> arm
>> > >>>>>> 1 Borgata Way
>> > >>>>>> Atlantic City, NJ 08401
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Thanks!
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com (mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com)
>> > >>>>>> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> > >>>>>> David Rothera
>> > >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:46 AM
>> > >>>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>> > >>>>>> Cc: CCIE Groupstudy
>> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Locklizard
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> As per usual with DRM controlled media the only people you are
>> > >>>>>> hurting are
>> > >>>>>> your customers and I hate to say it Narbik but the fact that you
use
>> > >>>>>> this
>> > >>>>>> crap is why I would never consider your products.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> People will always find a way to pirate things and at the end of
the
>> > >>>>>> day
>> > >>>>>> as I have already said the only people that get hurt by this are
>> > >>>>>> your real
>> > >>>>>> customers.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Regards
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> David Rothera
>> > >>>>>> CCIE #38338
>> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> > >>>>>> Please excuse any mistakes and brevity.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
>> > >>>>>> (mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com)> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> http://www.locklizard.com/pdf-secure-ios_news.htm
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Now you can install our workbooks on your iPad, iPhone, etc etc
>> > >>>>>>> ......
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>> *Narbik Kocharians
>> > >>>>>>> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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Received on Thu Apr 11 2013 - 12:37:38 ART