From: Larson, Chris (CLarson@usaid.gov)
Date: Thu Sep 19 2002 - 09:31:27 GMT-3
More important then revenue from the lab itself, at this time when other
companies are failing or having a hard time selling there product it
behooves Cisco more then ever to get as many Cisco certified people in the
field. Cisco people in the field tend to promote Cisco products as that is
what they are most familiar with. What better sales people then Cisco
certified professionals. Even in times of great economics it is good for
Cisco to have as many certified people in the field as possible to help sell
their products and technologies.
When/if there is a recovery in the IT marketplace and people start building
or replacing older network equipment with new stuff, the majority of these
contracts and jobs are likely to go to candidates who have network
certifications. What are the most respected network certs? And therefore
what kind of equipment is going to be talked about most by these people? The
equipment they are most familiar with............. Cisco.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Meyer, J. (Johan) [SMTP:JohanMe@nedcor.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 3:18 AM
> To: 'Tim Ross'; rich; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: MS-CCIE
>
> Lets look at the BIG Picture!!
>
> Cisco is a Successful aggresive Bussiness so I dont think they will limit
> this certification.
> It brings in a span of money!
> That is why it was changed from a 2 day to a 1 day LAB as before when they
> could schedule
> max 2 labs a week they can now have 6 .Thats 3 times the revenue than
> before!!
> What succesful Bussiness man would turn that down!!
>
>
> Johan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Ross [mailto:ross2k@pclv.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 8:40 AM
> To: rich; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: MS-CCIE
>
>
> I'm not sure I get the point either. In your post you said you have
> experience, and got in the business for the money, yet you did not become
> a
> CCIE when you could make a lot of money by being a CCIE. Now that the job
> market is not so good for CCIE's you want to become a CCIE. Also, please
> do
> not start limiting the number of CCIEs per country until after I pass.
> Thanks.
>
> Happy studying,
> Tim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rich" <rich@pixguru.com>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:43 PM
> Subject: Re: MS-CCIE
>
>
> > Could you possibly miss the point any more?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Larus" <tlarus@cox.net>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:54 AM
> > Subject: MS-CCIE
> >
> >
> > > If the CCIE is not worth much these days, and you are in it primarily
> for
> > > the
> > > money, and you already have a good job, and respect, and know so much
> more
> > > than those "lab rat" CCIEs, just stop pursuing the CCIE.
> > >
> > > You don't need it.
> > >
> > > You should stand pat on your experience and be comfortable in knowing
> that
> > > years of experience will always trump demonstrated intelligence.
> > >
> > > Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "rich" <rich@pixguru.com>
> > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:04 PM
> > > Subject: MS-CCIE
> > >
> > >
> > > > A couple of years ago, at the height of the dot com era, a CCIE in
> my
> > area
> > > > could easily pull in 150k. Did I start down this road for the
> money?
> > > Hell
> > > > yes. I already had field experience, a good job, seniority,
> respect,
> > and
> > > all
> > > > that stuff that makes work fun. Besides, CCIE would be a challenge.
> > But
> > > a
> > > > LOT has changed in the past couple of years. Bad economy. Fewer
> jobs.
> > > > Lowered salaries. And apparently a butt load of CCIE's! I mean
> wow!
> > And
> > > to
> > > > hear that many of them are just lab ccie's really brings the 8000+
> > CCIE's
> > > into
> > > > a different light. It brings my own efforts into the same light.
> It
> > > reminds
> > > > me of what happened to Novell certifications... I had just gotten my
> CNE
> > > when
> > > > I heard the term 'paper CNE' about a guy at the same company who
> carried
> > > cue
> > > > cards around to customers with commands written on them.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't gotten my ccie yet but I'm hoping to. My chances would
> > probably
> > > be
> > > > greatly enhanced by going to a boot-camp, but I feel that would just
> add
> > > to
> > > > the problem. Maybe limiting the number of active CCIE's in a
> country
> > > would
> > > > keep the certification from getting too bloated. Or maybe just stop
> the
> > > > certification process now or at a fixed number. Or better yet,
> allow
> no
> > > more
> > > > than 1000 a year (total) to be certified. Candidate selection
> process
> > > could
> > > > be a weighted drawing (increased chances every year).
> > > >
> > > > I'm not trying to criticize anyone's efforts, but rather express the
> > > results
> > > > of those efforts. It's kind of liking moving into a new, quiet,
> > expensive
> > > > neighborhood. It's great until everyone else moves in, and suddenly
> > that
> > > > expensive house isn't worth what you paid for it.
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