From: George E Lampro Super Genius (glampron@machinelogic.com)
Date: Thu Sep 26 2002 - 01:53:48 GMT-3
Thank You!
I've been working with the guys at Enterasys (used to be Cabletron).
I might as well be supporting the stuff alone. They want to get you off the
phone ASAP, They are weak and used to talking to folks who know very
little.
What an eye opener.
BTW, there are over a half a million MCP's worldwide.
Less than 9000 active CCIE's since 1993.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
certstudy
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:40 PM
To: rich; albert_lu@optushome.com.au; 'Meyer, J. (Johan)'; 'Tim Ross';
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: MS-CCIE
you guys think Cisco actually makes a profit from any of the fees it charges
for any of the certs. do some math. there are probably a few dozen people
employed by the ccie program--half of them ccie level people. then there is
equipment (pc's, racks, cabling). whatever cisco charges them for their
space on cco, their rent, etc. etc.
at one time i thought that they were making money off the fees but do the
math. anyway, the real profits from the certifications are by having a well
trained and prepared support infrastructure.
anybody try to get a question answered by linksys or d-link lately. too
small? how about avaya, expanets or lucent??
----- Original Message -----
From: "rich" <rich@pixguru.com>
To: <albert_lu@optushome.com.au>; "'Meyer, J. (Johan)'"
<JohanMe@nedcor.com>; "'Tim Ross'" <ross2k@pclv.com>;
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: MS-CCIE
> Have you seen their lab? The one in San Jose doubles as a storage
closet..
> It's well organized, but NOT data center like at all..
>
> 10 people a day at San Jose
> That's $12,500 a day. Not bad for one proctor and their own assets.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Albert Lu" <albert_lu@optushome.com.au>
> To: "'Meyer, J. (Johan)'" <JohanMe@nedcor.com>; "'Tim Ross'"
> <ross2k@pclv.com>; "'rich'" <rich@pixguru.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 4:14 AM
> Subject: RE: MS-CCIE
>
>
> > Actually from what I was told by a proctor, cisco doesn't really make
that
> > much money from CCIE lab exams. Since they have to pretty much have a
mini
> > 24x7 data centre for the lab with raised floors, ups, air conditioning,
> > power, rent, also salaries for proctors, plus not all labs are always
> booked
> > out. I've always thought that cisco would be making a killing with the
lab
> > exams, but having worked in a datacentre in my past life I could imagine
> how
> > all those costs could really add up.
> >
> > Albert Lu
> > CCIE #8705
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > Meyer, J. (Johan)
> > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:18 PM
> > To: 'Tim Ross'; rich; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: MS-CCIE
> >
> >
> > Lets look at the BIG Picture!!
> >
> > Cisco is a Successful aggresive Bussiness so I dont think they will
limit
> > this certification.
> > It brings in a span of money!
> > That is why it was changed from a 2 day to a 1 day LAB as before when
they
> > could schedule
> > max 2 labs a week they can now have 6 .Thats 3 times the revenue than
> > before!!
> > What succesful Bussiness man would turn that down!!
> >
> >
> > Johan
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tim Ross [mailto:ross2k@pclv.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 8:40 AM
> > To: rich; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: MS-CCIE
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure I get the point either. In your post you said you have
> > experience, and got in the business for the money, yet you did not
become
> a
> > CCIE when you could make a lot of money by being a CCIE. Now that the
job
> > market is not so good for CCIE's you want to become a CCIE. Also,
please
> do
> > not start limiting the number of CCIEs per country until after I pass.
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Happy studying,
> > Tim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "rich" <rich@pixguru.com>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: MS-CCIE
> >
> >
> > > Could you possibly miss the point any more?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tom Larus" <tlarus@cox.net>
> > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:54 AM
> > > Subject: MS-CCIE
> > >
> > >
> > > > If the CCIE is not worth much these days, and you are in it
primarily
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > money, and you already have a good job, and respect, and know so
much
> > more
> > > > than those "lab rat" CCIEs, just stop pursuing the CCIE.
> > > >
> > > > You don't need it.
> > > >
> > > > You should stand pat on your experience and be comfortable in
knowing
> > that
> > > > years of experience will always trump demonstrated intelligence.
> > > >
> > > > Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "rich" <rich@pixguru.com>
> > > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:04 PM
> > > > Subject: MS-CCIE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > A couple of years ago, at the height of the dot com era, a CCIE in
> my
> > > area
> > > > > could easily pull in 150k. Did I start down this road for the
> money?
> > > > Hell
> > > > > yes. I already had field experience, a good job, seniority,
> respect,
> > > and
> > > > all
> > > > > that stuff that makes work fun. Besides, CCIE would be a
challenge.
> > > But
> > > > a
> > > > > LOT has changed in the past couple of years. Bad economy. Fewer
> > jobs.
> > > > > Lowered salaries. And apparently a butt load of CCIE's! I mean
> wow!
> > > And
> > > > to
> > > > > hear that many of them are just lab ccie's really brings the 8000+
> > > CCIE's
> > > > into
> > > > > a different light. It brings my own efforts into the same light.
> It
> > > > reminds
> > > > > me of what happened to Novell certifications... I had just gotten
my
> > CNE
> > > > when
> > > > > I heard the term 'paper CNE' about a guy at the same company who
> > carried
> > > > cue
> > > > > cards around to customers with commands written on them.
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't gotten my ccie yet but I'm hoping to. My chances would
> > > probably
> > > > be
> > > > > greatly enhanced by going to a boot-camp, but I feel that would
just
> > add
> > > > to
> > > > > the problem. Maybe limiting the number of active CCIE's in a
> country
> > > > would
> > > > > keep the certification from getting too bloated. Or maybe just
stop
> > the
> > > > > certification process now or at a fixed number. Or better yet,
> allow
> > no
> > > > more
> > > > > than 1000 a year (total) to be certified. Candidate selection
> process
> > > > could
> > > > > be a weighted drawing (increased chances every year).
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not trying to criticize anyone's efforts, but rather express
the
> > > > results
> > > > > of those efforts. It's kind of liking moving into a new, quiet,
> > > expensive
> > > > > neighborhood. It's great until everyone else moves in, and
suddenly
> > > that
> > > > > expensive house isn't worth what you paid for it.
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