From: tycampbell@comcast.net
Date: Fri Sep 03 2004 - 16:45:40 GMT-3
Cut it out John..
....now we only need 4 more ppl to tell him :-)
-------------- Original message --------------
> ... I think I recall having a similiar thread of
> emails with John not too long ago. Maybe after he
> gets 5 people to tell him to cut it out, it will sink
> in??
>
> Also- I find it interesting that someone that claims
> to be so good, couldn't get a job? Go Figure.
>
> -Matt
>
>
> --- Wayne Lawson wrote:
>
> > Wow John, nothing like earning your CCIE number
> > (after 5 attempts) and then jumping
> > right into the market like you're the king of the
> > hill - all of this while passively cutting
> > down established (and successful) vendors and CCIE's
> > with lower numbers...
> >
> > Regarding your comments on our (IPexpert) products
> > - I'd like you to try to explain to me
> > how our workbook is outdated or irrelevant - as you
> > seem to claim below. In case you
> > weren't aware - the CCIE Lab did contain ISDN, Frame
> > Relay, RIP and OSPF several years
> > ago...(Actually you're probably aware....when did
> > you begin your IE prep - and take your 1st
> > attempt?). Some technologies and protocols remain
> > the same while some change. There isn't
> > and wasn't a need for us to rewrite our product - as
> > you claim. People are using it today,
> > and they're still successful - as you saw below -
> > from this original post.
> >
> > Also, when and if you ever get more than a few
> > students who attend your course - you'll
> > realize that it becomes nearly impossible to track
> > students. We have several hundred
> > students who have attended our classes over the past
> > year - and less than 15% of them
> > report back to us, so the fact that you're trying to
> > use a "success rate" formula just won't
> > provide the needed feedback.
> >
> > Be careful who and where you run your mouth....a
> > guy just starting out as a CCIE instructor,
> > (again - after taking 5 attempts to pass) really
> > doesn't rate enough to begin bashing
> > established vendors with IE's on staff who are
> > triple or quad certified. If you want to run
> > and establish a successful business - do it with
> > character and ethics. Don't cut down your
> > competition on public newsgroups or mailing lists
> > like some of these vendors do - earn your
> > respect and keep your mouth shut - your work,
> > products or services will speak for themselves.
> > Spend the time, money and effort to establish a
> > sales and marketing plan - quit using a public
> > mailing list as your means of reaching customers.
> > it's cheap and overdone on this newslist!
> >
> > Wayne Lawson
> > President - IPexpert, Inc.
> >
> >
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: "john matijevic" matijevi@bellsouth.net
> > Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:56:56 -0400
> > To: "'Joseph D. Phillips'"
> > josephdphillips@fastmail.us
> > Subject: RE: CCIE # 13843
> >
> > > Hello Eric,
> > > Congratulations for passing the exam even though
> > it took you 6 times. I
> > > had to take the exam 5 times to pass. I had a
> > similar experience to you
> > > I had purchased several workbooks, but I attended
> > more than 1 boot camp.
> > > I attended Netmaster and Internetworkexpert mock
> > lab workshop as well as
> > > the IPexpert audio boot camp. Even though I did
> > not attend Cyscoexpert,
> > > I did research them and felt that they were really
> > overcharging. And
> > > that they gave some students different prices than
> > others, I don't think
> > > that is fair to do to customers. Also the big
> > problem is with the boot
> > > camps, is that they don't tell you what there
> > passing rate is. This to
> > > me is very important factor, I want to know how
> > many people pass after
> > > attending the boot camp. It is a shame that you
> > have to fail so many
> > > times in order to pass like I did. I really can
> > sympathize, the problem
> > > with many of the boot camps out there and the
> > workbook vendors is that
> > > they made there boot camp courses or workbooks
> > years ago, and they got
> > > their ccie years ago(look at their CCIE numbers),
> > so they try and update
> > > their workbooks but the problem is that the
> > original topologies, tasks
> > > etc, are still left over. Yes I purchased IPexpert
> > as well, again my
> > > feelings are that those labs were originated years
> > ago, and they did not
> > > completely rewrite the entire book, even though
> > they have now proctor
> > > guide and have several new labs. I am very proud
> > to start my course,
> > > because I have very current CCIE only 3 months,
> > and I took exam so many
> > > times, that I have very good idea of what exam is
> > about. I don't waste
> > > your time studying material that won't be tested
> > on, and more
> > > importantly I am not going to overcharge you, like
> > some of the other
> > > boot camps. Good Luck in your career endeavors as
> > well!!!
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > John Matijevic, CCIE #13254, MCSE, CNE, CCEA
> > > CEO
> > > IgorTek Inc.
> > > 151 Crandon Blvd. #402
> > > Key Biscayne, FL 33149
> > > Hablo Espanol
> > > 305-321-6232
> > > http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-CCIE
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Joseph D. Phillips
> > > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 11:49 AM
> > > To: Eric Hoffman
> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: CCIE # 13843
> > >
> > > Very good. Congratulations, from a boob that's
> > flunked 4x. :)
> > >
> > >
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