From: Arun Arumuganainar (aarumuga@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Jan 31 2006 - 10:33:19 GMT-3
Logically speaking ...this is not a NDA violation ( I am not disclosing any
proprietary stuff to anyone ) . But definitely it amounts to cheating !!!
My Point here is that in Beijing proctors facilitate the cheating by
allowing us to take food outside !!!
In Sharp contrast when I took my lab in Brussels we had lots of restriction
during our lunch break ... like a) We should eat only in Cisco Cafeteria B)
We should sit to-gather in single group and C) Proctor will accompany us
all the time !!!( By the way food in Brussels is the best I have ever taken
in any of Cisco cafeterias ... It was awesome !!! )
So Brussels lab is full proof in a sense it does not allow cheating of this
sort !!! I hope Proctors in Beijing will take a clue from Brussels !!!
FYI : I did not resort to cheating ...1) I am afraid of biting cold outside
the building 2) I do not wanted to venture out as I was sure, I will not be
able to find out proper restaurant with out knowing Chinese language ... In
the end I happened to starve during that day !!!!
Thanks and Regards
Arun
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Ventre" <messageboard@ventrefamily.com>
To: "Arun Arumuganainar" <aarumuga@hotmail.com>
Cc: "lim es" <tiga72@yahoo.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Feedback on labs in Asia Pac
> >Arun Arumuganainar wrote:
>
> >You can have quick look at your notes when you go outside
> >( referring to notes is not allowed in CCIE lab . In Beijing ,
> >you can safely do it with out being caught by the proctor )
>
> OK. I'll Bite.
>
> While doing something ... if you find yourself worried about "being
> caught" by a proctor that's a real good sign it'll either violate the NDA
> and/or is CHEATING. Just because lunch isn't served in-house doesn't
> make it right.
>
> James
>
> Arun Arumuganainar wrote:
>
> I recently took a lab in Beijing !!! Experiences was not so pleasant
> !!!Reasons being ...
>
> Reasons that are personal to me .
>
> 1) I failed and obviously I will have bad memories !!!
> 2) I was taken off-guard by the climate ... Even though I stayed close
to
> CISCO I will have to resort to Taxi . Even the smaller time I spent
outside
> the hotel/Cisco , I had frost bites on lips , Foot and Ears !!! I really
> struggled with climate ( Pls. Note : I come from Chennai ( South India )
> which has only 3 season a) Hot season b) Hotter season and c) Hottest
> season ) . If you are going to china go with warm clothes or pls. plan
your
> trip on summer months .
>
> Other reasons :-
>
> 1) Lunch will not be served in Beijing . In the half-n-hour break ...you
> will have go out find a hotel and have lunch and come back . This is
near to
> impossible .On the lighter side ... You can have quick look at your
notes
> when you go outside ( referring to notes is not allowed in CCIE lab . In
> Beijing , you can safely do it with out being caught by the proctor )
> 2) DOC CD search is not allowed . So be sure how to browse through the
doc
> CD before going to Beijing .
> 3) Going to Rest rooms is very difficult in Beijing . You have walk a
long
> distance with in Cisco building to reach it !!! While coming back you
need
> to knock the door !!! And wait for some body to open the door for you
!!!
> Moral of the story : Drink Less water while you take up exam in Beijing
> 4) Language is definitely a problem both within and outside Cisco for
> non-Chinese speaking people !!!
>
> FYI : Unlike japan Beijing provided PC with English edition of Window
..if
> you are coming from outside of china . Problems with adapting to new OS
> never arised for me !!!
>
> Thanks and Regards
> Arun
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lim es" <tiga72@yahoo.com> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:56 AM
> Subject: Feedback on labs in Asia Pac
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I would like to find out if anyone has taken the lab
> in either:
>
> - Japan
> - Hong Kong
> - Beijing
>
> I am trying to decide from the above 3 choices and
> would definitely appreciate any form of opinion or
> feedback
>
> TIA
>
> Lim
>
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