From: Jonathan Stevens (jonathanstevens.net@googlemail.com)
Date: Tue Jan 31 2006 - 19:12:24 GMT-3
In my opinion Cisco should not be permitting this kind of thing. It has
the potential to devalue the entire program.
However, I wouldn't be the first to cast some doubt on the way in which
Cisco is managing its business in China...
Arun Arumuganainar wrote:
>Logically speaking ...this is not a NDA violation ( I am not disclosing any
>proprietary stuff to anyone ) . But definitely it amounts to cheating !!!
>
>My Point here is that in Beijing proctors facilitate the cheating by
>allowing us to take food outside !!!
>
>In Sharp contrast when I took my lab in Brussels we had lots of restriction
>during our lunch break ... like a) We should eat only in Cisco Cafeteria B)
>We should sit to-gather in single group and C) Proctor will accompany us
>all the time !!!( By the way food in Brussels is the best I have ever taken
>in any of Cisco cafeterias ... It was awesome !!! )
>
>So Brussels lab is full proof in a sense it does not allow cheating of this
>sort !!! I hope Proctors in Beijing will take a clue from Brussels !!!
>
>FYI : I did not resort to cheating ...1) I am afraid of biting cold outside
>the building 2) I do not wanted to venture out as I was sure, I will not be
>able to find out proper restaurant with out knowing Chinese language ... In
>the end I happened to starve during that day !!!!
>
>Thanks and Regards
>Arun
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "James Ventre" <messageboard@ventrefamily.com>
>To: "Arun Arumuganainar" <aarumuga@hotmail.com>
>Cc: "lim es" <tiga72@yahoo.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:13 PM
>Subject: Re: Feedback on labs in Asia Pac
>
>
>
>
>>>Arun Arumuganainar wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>You can have quick look at your notes when you go outside
>>>( referring to notes is not allowed in CCIE lab . In Beijing ,
>>>you can safely do it with out being caught by the proctor )
>>>
>>>
>>OK. I'll Bite.
>>
>>While doing something ... if you find yourself worried about "being
>>caught" by a proctor that's a real good sign it'll either violate the NDA
>>and/or is CHEATING. Just because lunch isn't served in-house doesn't
>>make it right.
>>
>>James
>>
>>Arun Arumuganainar wrote:
>>
>> I recently took a lab in Beijing !!! Experiences was not so pleasant
>> !!!Reasons being ...
>>
>> Reasons that are personal to me .
>>
>> 1) I failed and obviously I will have bad memories !!!
>> 2) I was taken off-guard by the climate ... Even though I stayed close
>>
>>
>to
>
>
>> CISCO I will have to resort to Taxi . Even the smaller time I spent
>>
>>
>outside
>
>
>> the hotel/Cisco , I had frost bites on lips , Foot and Ears !!! I really
>> struggled with climate ( Pls. Note : I come from Chennai ( South India )
>> which has only 3 season a) Hot season b) Hotter season and c) Hottest
>> season ) . If you are going to china go with warm clothes or pls. plan
>>
>>
>your
>
>
>> trip on summer months .
>>
>> Other reasons :-
>>
>> 1) Lunch will not be served in Beijing . In the half-n-hour break ...you
>> will have go out find a hotel and have lunch and come back . This is
>>
>>
>near to
>
>
>> impossible .On the lighter side ... You can have quick look at your
>>
>>
>notes
>
>
>> when you go outside ( referring to notes is not allowed in CCIE lab . In
>> Beijing , you can safely do it with out being caught by the proctor )
>> 2) DOC CD search is not allowed . So be sure how to browse through the
>>
>>
>doc
>
>
>> CD before going to Beijing .
>> 3) Going to Rest rooms is very difficult in Beijing . You have walk a
>>
>>
>long
>
>
>> distance with in Cisco building to reach it !!! While coming back you
>>
>>
>need
>
>
>> to knock the door !!! And wait for some body to open the door for you
>>
>>
>!!!
>
>
>> Moral of the story : Drink Less water while you take up exam in Beijing
>>
>>
>
>
>
>> 4) Language is definitely a problem both within and outside Cisco for
>> non-Chinese speaking people !!!
>>
>> FYI : Unlike japan Beijing provided PC with English edition of Window
>>
>>
>..if
>
>
>> you are coming from outside of china . Problems with adapting to new OS
>> never arised for me !!!
>>
>> Thanks and Regards
>> Arun
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "lim es" <tiga72@yahoo.com> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>
>>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:56 AM
>
>
>> Subject: Feedback on labs in Asia Pac
>>
>> Hi Group,
>>
>> I would like to find out if anyone has taken the lab
>> in either:
>>
>> - Japan
>> - Hong Kong
>> - Beijing
>>
>> I am trying to decide from the above 3 choices and
>> would definitely appreciate any form of opinion or
>> feedback
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Lim
>>
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