From: kelly@cliffhanger.com
Date: Wed Aug 22 2007 - 16:48:52 ART
That's nice.
I don't know if anyone has done it but, I plan to
test connectivity between a dynamips router and a
host running under VMWare or Parallels.
I'd be interested in hearing you're experiences if
you've attempted this.
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 Impossible Triangle
    M. C. Escher
Big riffs, massive grooves, and expansive improvisations
Quoting Colin McNamara <colin@2cups.com>:
        I don't know if anyone has seen the press-releases but Cisco is
        developing a virtual switch for VMware. There are no hard stats on
        features yet, but what has been released hints to at minimum layer 3
        switching in the virtual switch being made for ESX. I would guess that
        if you fast forward to next year, many peoples labs will consist of
        Dynamips (probably running on a vmware image) integrated with these
        virtual switches. 
        
        -- 
        Colin McNamara
        (858)208-8105
        CCIE #18233
        "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little
        longer"
        
        
        On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 19:42 +0100, Gary Duncanson wrote:
        > Makes sense.
        > 
        > Thanks David.
        > 
        > Gary
        > ----- Original Message ----- 
        > From: "David Prall" <dcp@dcptech.com>
        > To: "'Scott Vermillion'" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>; 
        > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
        > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 5:58 PM
        > Subject: RE: Virtual CCIE's? - 3550/3560
        > 
        > 
        > > SIMICS is hardware emulation. It actually emulates the processors and 
        > > asics.
        > > Putting together a switch would be rather difficult unless you worked for
        > > Cisco since the ASIC's are proprietary and the processor to asic linkage 
        > > is
        > > part of the design. Also a license for Simics is rather expensive. 
        > > Packages
        > > like this are typically used in the design phase, since an ASIC can be
        > > simulated rather easily, where as having it produced for debugging 
        > > purposes
        > > can take months. So the software emulation of hardware is well worthwhile
        > > during the design phase.
        > >
        > > --
        > > http://dcp.dcptech.com
        > >
        > >
        > >> -----Original Message-----
        > >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
        > >> Behalf Of Scott Vermillion
        > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 12:28 PM
        > >> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
        > >> Subject: RE: Virtual CCIE's? - 3550/3560
        > >>
        > >> The good news is that they appear to offer an "academic" license for
        > >> individual use (approval time ~1 week).  The bad news is that when I
        > >> google "virtutech cisco switch," I come up with precious
        > >> little.  Here is
        > >> a link to a presentation where Cisco is mentioned in passing:
        > >>
        > >> http://www.deserec.eu/files/first_workshop/pdf/DESEREC_IABG_Si
        > >> mics_Workshop_2006.pdf
        > >>
        > >> It may indeed be possible to emulate a Cisco switch, but it
        > >> appears as if
        > >> there exists no "Dynagen equivalent" for we mere mortals.  And no real
        > >> history to indicate CPU/memory requirements (could you
        > >> emulate one switch
        > >> with a given hardware configuration or could you emulate
        > >> 12?).  Certainly
        > >> there doesn't appear to be any "body of knowledge" out there.
        > >>  Also, not
        > >> sure how to take it, but that presentation makes mention of only being
        > >> able to bridge "TCP and UDP" from the simulated environment
        > >> to a physical
        > >> NIC (so no control plane traffic directly over IP?  etc?).  Thus, I'll
        > >> keep my ear to the ground on this one, but I still plan to
        > >> spend the next
        > >> several months tackling the CCIE R&S lab vs. being one of the first to
        > >> figure SIMICS and Cisco switches out...
        > >>
        > >>   -------- Original Message --------
        > >>   Subject: RE: Virtual CCIE's? - 3550/3560
        > >>   From: "Lamine BOUAFIA" <b_lamine@yahoo.fr>
        > >>   Date: Tue, August 21, 2007 6:48 am
        > >>   To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
        > >>
        > >>   Anyone who know mode about
        > >> http://www.virtutech.com/products/ and how
        > >>   to
        > >>   simulate Cisco 3550/3560??
        > >>
        > >>   Regards,
        > >>
        > >>   -----Message d'origine-----
        > >>   De : nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] De la part
        > >>   de
        > >>   Brian Dennis
        > >>   Envoyi : mardi 21 ao{t 2007 06:42
        > >>   @ : Scott Vermillion; Cisco certification
        > >>   Objet : [Bulk] RE: Virtual CCIE's?
        > >>
        > >>   When teaching a class at Cisco recently one of the students
        > >> said that
        > >>   the
        > >>   3550 or 3560 can be "virtualized" using software from this company:
        > >>
        > >>   http://www.virtutech.com/products/
        > >>   https://www.simics.net/
        > >>
        > >>   Personally I never looked into it but someone here may be familiar
        > >>   with
        > >>   the software and it's capabilities.
        > >>
        > >>   Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
        > >>   bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
        > >>
        > >>   Internetwork Expert, Inc.
        > >>   http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
        > >>   Toll Free: 877-224-8987
        > >>   Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
        > >>
        > >>   >----- Original Message -----
        > >>   Subject: RE: Virtual CCIE's?
        > >>   Date: Mon, August 20, 2007 21:30
        > >>   From: "Scott Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
        > >>
        > >>   > Unfortunately, the more recent posts I've seen from him would
        > >>   indicated
        > >>   > that, due largely to ASICs that cannot easily be
        > >>   reverse-engineered, a
        > >>   > switch equivalent or extension is all but dead as a concept. This
        > >>   is why
        > >>   > I chose to go ahead and purchase some 3560-8PCs and just
        > >> move on...
        > >>   >
        > >>   > -------- Original Message --------
        > >>   > Subject: Re: Virtual CCIE's?
        > >>   > From: "darth router" <darklordrouter@gmail.com>
        > >>   > Date: Mon, August 20, 2007 9:18 pm
        > >>   > To: ISolveSystems <support@isolvesystems.com>
        > >>   > Cc: "Scott Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>, "Cisco
        > >>   > certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
        > >>   >
        > >>   > That depends on the devs, and if they can continue to support
        > >>   future
        > >>   > platforms, whether it is possible or feasible. No switches yet,
        > >>   maybe
        > >>   > never, but who knows, chris has some posts where he wanted access
        > >>   to
        > >>   > 6500 switches. Might be workin on it :P I hope so. Here
        > >> is the site
        > >>   > with the history.
        > >>   >
        > >>   > http://www.ipflow.utc.fr/index.php/Cisco_7200_Simulator
        > >>   >
        > >>   > On 8/21/07, ISolveSystems <support@isolvesystems.com> wrote:
        > >>   >
        > >>   > You said that Dynamips is in its infancy. I am curious to know
        > >>   > how old is
        > >>   > Dynamips? How do you see the continuing development of Dynamips
        > >>   > to support
        > >>   > future IOS development?
        > >>   >
        > >>   > Regards,
        > >>   >
        > >>   > On 8/20/07, Scott Vermillion < scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
        > >>   > >
        > >>   > > Gregory,
        > >>   > >
        > >>   > > Were a person to acquire the CCIE cert w/ nothing more than
        > >>   > time on
        > >>   > > Dynamips, that person may indeed face a few embarrassing
        > >>   > moments
        > >>   > > early on. So it should be outlawed and shunned by the
        > >>   > CCIE-seeking
        > >>   > > community at large? I'd wager that 90% or better using
        > >>   > Dynamips for
        > >>   > > CCIE study have sufficient experience w/ real HW to know
        > >>   > which side
        > >>   > > the power switch is on.
        > >>   > & gt;
        > >>   > > Do you think you'll normally have physical access to all of
        > >>   > the
        > >>   > > routers on which you are expected to perform your work? If
        > >>   > you
        > >>   > > require that to do your job, are you effective?
        > >>   > >
        > >>   > > Recall that this is real IOS -- not some training
        > >>   > simulator. So the
        > >>   > > chassis, the power supply, the interface cards, etc. are
        > >>   > lacking in
        > >>   > > your CCIE lab, where you are intensely focused on subtle
        > >>   > protocol
        > >>   > > interplay. So? Can you even touch the HW during the CCIE
        > >>   > practical
        > >>   > > exam?
        > >>   > >
        > >>   > > I have posted this as recently as a few hours ago on the
        > >>   > professional
        > >>   > > board:
        > >>   > >
        > >>   > > "I have now been dealing with Dynamips since (roughly) Dec of
        > >>   > last
        > >>   > > year. I generally trust it (yes, bugs now and then and even
        > >>   > the
        > >>   > > occasional crash, but can IOS itself claim otherwise?) and
        > >>   > actually
        > >>   > > prefer it over real hardware for a couple of reasons:
        > >>   > >
        > >>   > > 1. Recabling a HW lab takes longer than launching a new .net
        > >>   > file. I
        > >>   > > keep every .net file I've ever created, along with all of the
        > >>   > router
        > >>   > > NVRAM files, etc. Modifying one lab for another purpose gets
        > >>   > easier
        > >>   > > and easier as your collection grows. Take good notes on why
        > >>   > you
        > >>   > > created a given environment and your results. This becomes a
        > >>   > highly
        > >>   > > valuable reference resource when you've grown a little fuzzy
        > >>   > on some
        > >>   > > details of a prior battle.
        > >>   > >
        > >>   > > 2. The capture function of Dynagen is killer. Definitely
        > >>   > beats debug
        > >>   > > output when you're really trying to understand what's going
        > >>   > on under
        > >>   > > the hood. If you're proficient w/ Wireshark or any other PA
        > >>   > that can
        > >>   > > open a .cap file, this is a "ki ller app" for sur e."
        > >>   > >
        > >>   > > Dynamips is nothing short of revolutionary for understanding,
        > >>   > > troubleshooting, prototyping, and generally poking and
        > >>   > prodding
        > >>   > > network-related protocols. It has some limitations, yet in
        > >>   > its
        > >>   > > infancy. Know those and live with them. And then leverage a
        > >>   > tool
        > >>   > > that can only be bested by some seriously deep pockets...
        > >>   > >
        > >>   > > Regards,
        > >>   > >
        > >>   > > Scott
        > >>   > >
        > >>   > > -------- Original MessageGr --------
        > >>   > > Subject: Virtual CCIE's?
        > >>   > > From: "Gregory Gombas" < ggombas@gmail.com>
        > >>   > > Date: Mon, August 20, 2007 6:19 pm
        > >>   > > To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
        > >>   > >
        > >>   > > Guys,
        > >>   > >
        > >>   > > I was checking out Dynamips and its pretty cool and all,
        > >>   > but it
        > >>   > > does
        > >>   > > worry me a little bit....
        > >>   > >
        > >>   > > How will employers view the CCIE certification after
        > >>   > they've been
        > >>   > > burned by hiring a CCIE who has never touched a real router
        > >>   > in
        > >>   > > their
        > >>   > > life?
        > >>   > >
        > >>   > > Do you like the idea of a pilot flying your plane whose
        > >>   > only
        > >>   > > training
        > >>   > > was with a virtual flight simulator?
        > >>   > >
        > >>   > > ; I remember the days when the MCSE was a hot cert until an
        > >>   > army of
        > >>   > > paper CCIE's hit the job market.
        > >>   > >
        > >>   > > Maybe they won't call it a paper CCIE, maybe they'll coin a
        > >>   > new
        > >>   > > term
        > >>   > > like virtual CCIE.
        > >>   > >
        > >>   > > Just food for thought...
        > >>   > >
        > >>   > >
        > >>   > >
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