From: Bill Eyer (beyer@optonline.net)
Date: Fri Jun 13 2008 - 21:01:42 ART
Some of the clone test makers are very direct in the marketing that they
are using the "real" questions. Testking doesn't seem to make that
claim. How close they are to the real test I don't know because I have
never used them. But some of the folks I work with use them, so I
checked out their site and it doesn't really claim to be a clone. Isn't
it possible that Ethan or anyone could have used them without knowing?
Can't we give someone the benefit of the doubt?
Bill
Luan Nguyen wrote:
> Is it wrong to look at TK product? I vaguely remember someone posted on one
> of the board a couple days ago on how to use TK and subscribe to Safari do
> do a search for solution. If Cisco knows about TK and others, why don't
> THEY do something about it? Instead letting people like CertGuard making
> profits by proclaiming themselves protector of the cert virgin.
> Oh, and admitting to look at TK and others' so called braindump products?
> Lots of people do - famous one too :)
>
> -Luan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 12:06 PM
> To: 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Anthony Sequeira'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>
> I think they are more worried about the idea that people download questions
> to magically obtain certifications which they may or may not be qualified
> for.
>
> I think we've all seen that. In fact a search of the archives will show
> many discussions of this over the years in different fashions.
>
> So while it's a very real problem, I think the article went a little too far
> in crucifying Ethan. I really don't know anything about Ethan and haven't
> ever worked with him, but it seems a little harsh to devalue all he has done
> based on his posting, but he DID admit to using the TK product! I seem to
> recall people in here getting flamed for even asking about "real labs" let
> alone admitting to using them.
>
> Where does the line get drawn?
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Joseph Brunner
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:55 AM
> To: 'Anthony Sequeira'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>
> certguard is afraid of testking because they are too stupid to figure out
> how to download it...
>
> They should be more worried about learning how to use cisco hardware than
> worrying about what certs other people have...
>
> lets see their list certs!
>
> Joseph Brunner
> CCIE, CCDP, CCNP, CCDA, CCNA, MCSE 2003
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Anthony Sequeira
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:53 AM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>
> This Network World post has a link to a comparison of TestKing and the
> TESTiT product I helped create for NetMasterClass. The link no longer works.
> Anyone have access to that comparison?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anthony J. Sequeira
> #15626
> www.freeiestuff.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> Cosgrove
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:39 AM
> To: Tony Varriale
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>
> Search for Ethan Banks at www.networkworld.com
>
> Tony Varriale wrote:
>
>> Anyone have a link?
>>
>> tv
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>
> Of
>
>> SAMARTH
>> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 8:55 AM
>> To: 'Dane Newman'; 'Joseph Brunner'
>> Cc: 'Isabella Figarella'; 'Gregory Gombas'; 'Sadiq Yakasai'; 'Andy';
>>
> 'Luan
>
>> Nguyen'; 'Brian Dennis'; 'Cisco certification'
>> Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>>
>> Ethan needs to be supported against baseless attacks. I remember how I
>>
> was
>
>> attacked by an unknown person personally few weeks before for raising
>>
> my
>
>> voice against a vendor.
>> Anyways truth always triumphs. Hope everything will get sorted.
>>
>> Best Wishes.
>> SAMARTH
>> CCIE #18535
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>
> Of Dane
>
>> Newman
>> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 2:36 PM
>> To: Joseph Brunner
>> Cc: Isabella Figarella; Gregory Gombas; Sadiq Yakasai; Andy; Luan
>>
> Nguyen;
>
>> Brian Dennis; Cisco certification
>> Subject: Re: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>>
>> I must also agree and support Ethan on this.
>>
>> He did the work. It is documented. Certguard just wants to make a
>>
> name for
>
>> themsevles attacking someone so well known as Ethan.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Joseph Brunner
>>
> <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> what are they attacking him for? sure he was a little slow on getting
>>>
> it
>
>> (I
>>
>>> tracked his progress against mine :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I failed a few times, I think he passed on the first try.. so that
>>>
> proves
>
>>> slow and steady works. how could they attack him?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Certgard needs to get a life (and a graphic designer, and web
>>>
> designer).
>
>>> their home page lacks credibility.and aesthetic quality.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _____
>>>
>>> From: Isabella Figarella [mailto:gigi.ccie@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 1:01 AM
>>> To: Joseph Brunner
>>> Cc: Gregory Gombas; Sadiq Yakasai; Andy; Luan Nguyen; Brian Dennis;
>>>
> Cisco
>
>>> certification
>>> Subject: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The 2 guys at Certguard who claim to have "years of experience" are
>>> attacking Ethan Banks. I read their bull and visited their site.
>>>
> They
>
>> are
>>
>>> lamers who need to rattle chains to be heard. I guess everyone needs
>>>
>> their
>>
>>> 15 minutes of fame.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They imply years of experience it looks like a year of experience and
>>> barely have any hits on their forum except their own.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So how to fix it? Attack Ethan Banks the top CCIE Blogger. Anyone
>>>
> else
>
>>> think this is just wrong?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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