From: keith tokash (ktokash@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat Jun 14 2008 - 00:38:25 ART
Not only is it possible, it's likely, and in Ethan's case it's almost certain.
Would anyone here admit to something they knew was wrong in a public comment?
It makes no sense.
For all the talk about TK, I hopped over to their site and didn't see anything
that made me think it was illegitmate. I only know to steer away from them
because of this mailing list, and to be honest that's still kind of just a
rumor mill. I've never seen anyone from Cisco pop in and confirm anything,
although I bet there's someone from Cisco reading this right now wishing
he/she could speak freely. I know I have that when I read the slashdot crowd
talk about my company. Those in the know don't talk, those who talk....
Yeah, including me. ;)
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> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:01:42 -0400
> From: beyer@optonline.net
> Subject: Re: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
> To: luan@t3technology.com
> CC: smorris@ipexpert.com; joe@affirmedsystems.com;
Anthony_Sequeira@skillsoft.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>
> Some of the clone test makers are very direct in the marketing that they
> are using the "real" questions. Testking doesn't seem to make that
> claim. How close they are to the real test I don't know because I have
> never used them. But some of the folks I work with use them, so I
> checked out their site and it doesn't really claim to be a clone. Isn't
> it possible that Ethan or anyone could have used them without knowing?
> Can't we give someone the benefit of the doubt?
>
> Bill
>
> Luan Nguyen wrote:
> > Is it wrong to look at TK product? I vaguely remember someone posted on
one
> > of the board a couple days ago on how to use TK and subscribe to Safari
do
> > do a search for solution. If Cisco knows about TK and others, why don't
> > THEY do something about it? Instead letting people like CertGuard making
> > profits by proclaiming themselves protector of the cert virgin.
> > Oh, and admitting to look at TK and others' so called braindump products?
> > Lots of people do - famous one too :)
> >
> > -Luan
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Scott Morris
> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 12:06 PM
> > To: 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Anthony Sequeira'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
> >
> > I think they are more worried about the idea that people download
questions
> > to magically obtain certifications which they may or may not be qualified
> > for.
> >
> > I think we've all seen that. In fact a search of the archives will show
> > many discussions of this over the years in different fashions.
> >
> > So while it's a very real problem, I think the article went a little too
far
> > in crucifying Ethan. I really don't know anything about Ethan and
haven't
> > ever worked with him, but it seems a little harsh to devalue all he has
done
> > based on his posting, but he DID admit to using the TK product! I seem
to
> > recall people in here getting flamed for even asking about "real labs"
let
> > alone admitting to using them.
> >
> > Where does the line get drawn?
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Joseph Brunner
> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:55 AM
> > To: 'Anthony Sequeira'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
> >
> > certguard is afraid of testking because they are too stupid to figure out
> > how to download it...
> >
> > They should be more worried about learning how to use cisco hardware than
> > worrying about what certs other people have...
> >
> > lets see their list certs!
> >
> > Joseph Brunner
> > CCIE, CCDP, CCNP, CCDA, CCNA, MCSE 2003
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Anthony Sequeira
> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:53 AM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
> >
> > This Network World post has a link to a comparison of TestKing and the
> > TESTiT product I helped create for NetMasterClass. The link no longer
works.
> > Anyone have access to that comparison?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Anthony J. Sequeira
> > #15626
> > www.freeiestuff.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Paul
> > Cosgrove
> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:39 AM
> > To: Tony Varriale
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
> >
> > Search for Ethan Banks at www.networkworld.com
> >
> > Tony Varriale wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone have a link?
> >>
> >> tv
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> >>
> > Of
> >
> >> SAMARTH
> >> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 8:55 AM
> >> To: 'Dane Newman'; 'Joseph Brunner'
> >> Cc: 'Isabella Figarella'; 'Gregory Gombas'; 'Sadiq Yakasai'; 'Andy';
> >>
> > 'Luan
> >
> >> Nguyen'; 'Brian Dennis'; 'Cisco certification'
> >> Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
> >>
> >> Ethan needs to be supported against baseless attacks. I remember how I
> >>
> > was
> >
> >> attacked by an unknown person personally few weeks before for raising
> >>
> > my
> >
> >> voice against a vendor.
> >> Anyways truth always triumphs. Hope everything will get sorted.
> >>
> >> Best Wishes.
> >> SAMARTH
> >> CCIE #18535
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> >>
> > Of Dane
> >
> >> Newman
> >> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 2:36 PM
> >> To: Joseph Brunner
> >> Cc: Isabella Figarella; Gregory Gombas; Sadiq Yakasai; Andy; Luan
> >>
> > Nguyen;
> >
> >> Brian Dennis; Cisco certification
> >> Subject: Re: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
> >>
> >> I must also agree and support Ethan on this.
> >>
> >> He did the work. It is documented. Certguard just wants to make a
> >>
> > name for
> >
> >> themsevles attacking someone so well known as Ethan.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Joseph Brunner
> >>
> > <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> what are they attacking him for? sure he was a little slow on getting
> >>>
> > it
> >
> >> (I
> >>
> >>> tracked his progress against mine :-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I failed a few times, I think he passed on the first try.. so that
> >>>
> > proves
> >
> >>> slow and steady works. how could they attack him?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Certgard needs to get a life (and a graphic designer, and web
> >>>
> > designer).
> >
> >>> their home page lacks credibility.and aesthetic quality.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _____
> >>>
> >>> From: Isabella Figarella [mailto:gigi.ccie@gmail.com]
> >>> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 1:01 AM
> >>> To: Joseph Brunner
> >>> Cc: Gregory Gombas; Sadiq Yakasai; Andy; Luan Nguyen; Brian Dennis;
> >>>
> > Cisco
> >
> >>> certification
> >>> Subject: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The 2 guys at Certguard who claim to have "years of experience" are
> >>> attacking Ethan Banks. I read their bull and visited their site.
> >>>
> > They
> >
> >> are
> >>
> >>> lamers who need to rattle chains to be heard. I guess everyone needs
> >>>
> >> their
> >>
> >>> 15 minutes of fame.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> They imply years of experience it looks like a year of experience and
> >>> barely have any hits on their forum except their own.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So how to fix it? Attack Ethan Banks the top CCIE Blogger. Anyone
> >>>
> > else
> >
> >>> think this is just wrong?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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