Re: What do you think - OEQ?

Hi Alan!

I hope you can realize your dream...it sounds like you must be very
close. Let me know via direct email if I can help in any way.

I am definitely seeing a reverse trend now as far as the Core
Knowledge Section goes. When it was first introduced, the questions
were so poor that it was the make or break issue for many perfectly
qualified candidates. Now, as they improve, I am seeing more first
time non-passers doing just fine there, but having issues with
configuration.

The reasons for failing the configuration portion have certainly not
changed - "ran out of time", "task misinterpretation", etc.

While making these statements, I will say how relative all of this is.
If a student gets Core Knowledge questions on OSPF, BGP, IPv6, and
Multicast and these topic domains are their strongest areas - of
course they report the section was an absolute joke. In fact, the
feedback you see regarding the section ranges from "A CCNA could pass
it" to "It cannot be passed!"

:-)

One of the things I feel compelled to constantly remind students of is
the power of positive thoughts! If you are walking into the exam
thinking...."just my luck the stupid four questions will fail
me"....well...it just might happen. Think about it. If a candidate is
really nervous about them, they might not clearly "see" just how easy
the question actually is!

Warmest Regards,

Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
http://www.INE.com

Test your Core Knowledge today!
Q: What does the BSR protocol uses the following to distribute groups
among multiple RPs?
A: The Hash Mask
More Info: http://books.google.com/books?id=GdWAapirZ9gC&pg=PA490&lpg=PA490&dq=%22hash+mask%22+bsr&source=bl&ots=66M5qNmA48&sig=3nEl9vrZLS2aNxN4Mse-u6IE7w0&hl=en&ei=iqtvSsXtC8vFlAf3kJnPBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7

On Jul 28, 2009, at 9:24 PM, Alan Ewer wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I would have probably answered this question as:
>
> Whichever switch had the higher bridge ID ..
>
> I have now done the OEQ twice and done well in both lab attempts.. -
> Failed
> the Lab but passed the OEQ .. The guidelines say "most questions
> should take
> an answer of 4-5 words.". but i have had a question which took a few
> sentences to provide a clear answer.. I also prescribe to the theory
> of dont
> over-elaborate as this can introduce silly mistakes which can cause a
> proctor to have a reason to fail you on the question.
>
> I wonder how many are failing the OEQ and passing the LAB ??
> My problem is interpretting the questions i think.... cant fi that i
> dont
> think and now out of money/time for a re-attempt so my dream of ccie
> is
> fading fast !
>
> anyhow good luck everyone.. this is just my two bobs worth ...
>
>
> Regds
> Alan E
> Brisbane Australia
>
>
> On 7/29/09, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>
>> No - from a grading perspective there is no such thing as less or
>> more
>> credit.
>>
>> The proctor reads your response and decides if you demonstrated you
>> know your stuff or not. If yes - you pass the question, if no - you
>> fail the question.
>>
>> The idea is to make darn sure you demonstrate you know your stuff.
>>
>> Warmest Regards,
>>
>> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
>> http://www.INE.com
>>
>> Test your Core Knowledge today!
>> Q: What feature should you configure if network instabilities impose
>> high load on router CPU due to perpetual RPF re-calculations?
>> A: RPF backoff
>> More Info:
>> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/ios/ipmulti/configuration/guide/imc_sub2nd_convg_ps6017_TSD_Products_Configuration_Guide_Chapter.html#wp1055449
>>
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2009, at 3:43 PM, <Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com> <
>> Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> That brings up an interesting question as to how exactly these are
>>> scored. For example would he be given less credit than someone who
>>> did not specify the default priority at all? In an interview I
>>> would consider the candidate that was 1 too high to be more
>>> knowledgeable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Re: What do you think - OEQ?
>>>
>>> Anthony Sequeira to: Molomo
>>> 07/28/09 10:35 AM
>>>
>>> Sent by: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Cc: ccielab
>>>
>>> Please respond to Anthony Sequeira
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You are on the right track here for sure. In fact, I have had
>>> passing
>>> students actually elaborate down two different paths because the
>>> Cisco
>>> question was so vague. For example, their answer looked something
>>> like
>>> this - "If you meant A with your question, the answer is B. But if
>>> you
>>> meant C with your question, the answer is D." :-)
>>>
>>> What you cannot do is write a novel. They have made it clear that
>>> they
>>> will not even bother to read it.
>>>
>>> Also, when elaborating, be very sure you are truly technically
>>> accurate. I notice in your example below you have 32769*MAC. It
>>> should
>>> be 32768 + MAC. :-)
>>>
>>> We certainly do not want to inadvertently give the proctor another
>>> reason to doubt our expertise!
>>>
>>> Keep up the great work Molomo!
>>>
>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>
>>> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
>>> http://www.INE.com
>>>
>>> Test your Core Knowledge today!
>>> Q: Four NAT terms are used to describe IP addresses in a NAT
>>> scenario.
>>> The address of HostA (inside your corp) as known to HostB (Internet)
>>> is typically referred to as which term?
>>> A: The Inside Global Address
>>> More Info:
>> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk648/tk361/technologies_tech_note09186a0080094831.shtml
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Molomo wrote:
>>>
>>>> Expert,
>>>>
>>>> With OEQ can I give an example, or that might be considered over
>>>> elaborating?
>>>>
>>>> For example wth the question below, which answer will be more
>>>> appropriate?
>>>>
>>>> Question:
>>>>
>>>> Between catalyst switch and transparent bridge which is more
>>> likely to
>>>> be spanning tree root?
>>>>
>>>> Answer 1 :
>>>>
>>>> Transparent bridge because it does not use ext system id.
>>>>
>>>> Answer 2 :
>>>>
>>>> Transparent bridge because it does not use ext system id, eg with
>>> Vlan
>>>> 1 default priority, catalyst will have BID of 32769 *MAC and
>>>> transparent bridge will have BID 32768*MAC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Molomo
>>>>
>>>>
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