Re: MacBook pro - OT

the mac's built in vpn client works fine with my cisco vpn network...as
previously mentioned, windows apps run fine on a mac..you have a good t61, I
cant say the same for the last one I had..

it all comes down to what a person is happy with..it appears that a lot of
people here and elsewhere are happy with mac's..

On 6/27/11 1:39 PM, "Vladimir Osipenko" <tiffolk_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Come on, Guys, Mac doesn't have Miranda IM =)
>
> And all that stuff with vendor's VPN clients? Or VMware vSphere Client?
>
> And so on...
>
> I use T61p with windows 7, no problem at all.
> 3 years without service.
>
>
>
> On 27 June 2011 21:30, Raghava <raghava.rao85_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> Good to see MAC topping the list of cisco techie guys...
>>
>> Everyone loves MAC here, as its cool...with all features...
>>
>> But I use HP Elitebook with i5....:(
>> That's it enough for me..I am going to buy a MAc soon..now..super excited to
>> owe one..
>>
>> Good to know everyones views...
>>
>> Apple macintosh everyday, keeps other laptops away.. :P
>>
>>
>> <raghava>
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerryB.
>>
>>
>> It matters not how strait the gate,
>> How charged with punishments the scroll.
>> I am the master of my fate:
>> I am the captain of my soul.
>>
>> -- Taken from "Invictus" by William Ernest Henley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>> Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:35:32
>> To: marc edwards<renorider_at_gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>> Cc: john matijevic<john.matijevic_at_gmail.com>; Marko
>> Milivojevic<markom_at_ipexpert.com>; Carl Gosselin<carl.gosselin_at_altizone.com>;
>> Jeferson Guardia<jefersonf_at_gmail.com>; Rick Mur<rmur_at_ipexpert.com>; Scott
>> Morris<swm_at_emanon.com>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> Subject: Re: MacBook pro - OT
>>
>> Marc,
>>
>> No arguments there, my older brother has few MAC stores in Sydney and we all
>> use MACs and i love it, because the thing works.
>> I mentioned the price, because some companies look at the initial cost and
>> support, but i believe in a very near future MACs will take over.
>>
>> I run Win7 with Parallel and i do not have any problems.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:16 AM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> hmmmmm. Everyone at Cisco works on Mac's. Seems like all of us in this
>>> string are fans of Macs. Virtualization allows for any platform to
>>> work within a MAC.
>>>
>>> Sorry to disagree Narbik, I believe that MAC's are comparable and
>>> affordable versus the Business class series of Dell/HP. I run a mini
>>> at home that costed under $800 with 8 gb of RAM. A pro can be bought
>>> for under $1500 which is cheaper than my work spent on the HP I am
>>> typing on. Macs are more power friendly so there could be realized
>>> cost savings on running them. Especially over the lifetime of the
>>> device.
>>>
>>> If my boss gives me a Windows box, I most likely throw Ubuntu on it
>>> and virtualize the windows environment anyways. Windows has seen its
>>> hayday and I think times are changing. This is more than just a trend,
>>> it is a technological revolution. Stay ahead of the curve and buy a
>>> MAC!
>>>
>>> Marc Edwards
>>> http://reno-ccie.blogsppot.com
>>> http://cisco-voyage.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> I could be wrong but i honestly think it's the price.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 8:59 AM, john matijevic <
>>> john.matijevic_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Helllo Team,
>>>>>
>>>>> I also considered an Apple, but from working with Fortune 500 companies,
>>> I
>>>>> find that more businesses uses Windows PCs.
>>>>> At least most likely a Windows PC will be assigned rather than a MAC,
>>> from
>>>>> a
>>>>> business point of view. Perhaps smaller companies allow you to be more
>>>>> flexible, bigger businesses tend to lease equipment and assign to keep
>>>>> standard from support point of view.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Marko Milivojevic <
>>> markom_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have to agree with "1 year" reevaluation. I haven't touched OG for
>>>>>> more than a year now, but I kept an eye on it. I don't see any
>>>>>> dramatic changes. 100% compatibility with Visio would be a must, yet I
>>>>>> doubt we'll ever see that. I'm still hoping for a miracle from
>>>>>> Microsoft and a Mac version of Visio :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427
>>>>>> Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FREE CCIE training: http://bit.ly/vLecture
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mailto: markom_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
>>>>>> Web: http://www.ipexpert.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 08:14, Carl Gosselin <
>>> carl.gosselin_at_altizone.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Yes I tried Omnigraffle and I too was not too impressed with the
>>>>> results
>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> what really killed my hopes for going Mac only was the fact that you
>>>>> had
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> go through a web site for file conversion between Omnigraffle and
>>>>> Visio.
>>>>>>> Like sharing files with otherB collaboratorsB pr clients isn't aB
>>>>>> necessity!!!
>>>>>>> I tried Cross-Over for Visio but I found that the video rendering
>>>>>> wasn't up
>>>>>>> to par.... VMware Fusion in Unity mode gives me the best of both
>>>>>> worlds...
>>>>>>> I haven't reevaluated for over a year now maybe things improved but
>>> I'm
>>>>>>> happy with my setup.
>>>>>>> -Carl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Marko Milivojevic <
>>>>> markom_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh - add one more. Actually 6 more (that's how much I love Macs).
>>> My
>>>>>>>> workhorse is 27" iMac and my laptop is 17" MBP with 8G RAM and SSD.
>>>>>>>> You would have to pry them from my dead cold hands to replace them
>>>>>>>> with Windows machines.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And again - Visio is the only reason for me having VMware.
>>> OmniGraffle
>>>>>>>> is just a toy in comparison, I'm afraid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427
>>>>>>>> Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FREE CCIE training: http://bit.ly/vLecture
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
>>>>>>>> Web: http://www.ipexpert.com/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 06:49, Jeferson Guardia <
>>> jefersonf_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> wow.. I didnt expect this discussion to go so further nor I didnt
>>>>>> expect
>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>> many CCIE's crazy for macs :-) I thought I was one of kind along
>>>>> with
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>> other guys.. great points raised though.. I was really interested
>>> on
>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>> the 512GB SSD but it's like 1,2k more.. It's gotta be really
>>> worth
>>>>> it
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>> on that extra money.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've heard I can buy a 128gb SSD unit later on and replace my CD
>>>>> drive
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> that HD.. I might do that.. :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thanks for everyone's contributtion, my mac is coming really soon
>>>>> and
>>>>>> im
>>>>>>>>> getting rid of everything including my dell's employee i5..
>>>>> whatever!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Jeferson Guardia
>>>>>>>>> CCIE #28157
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2011/6/27 Rick Mur <rmur_at_ipexpert.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can just call me by name Scott ;-) It's been a while since I
>>>>> sat
>>>>>>>>>> across
>>>>>>>>>> of you ;)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have the 11" Air with 1.6Ghz and 4GB RAM and 128GB SSD. I can
>>> do
>>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>>> on this machine as I could on my previous Core 2 Duo 17" Macbook
>>>>> Pro.
>>>>>>>>>> VMware
>>>>>>>>>> runs blazing fast! As Scott mentioned I use Windows mostly for
>>>>> Visio
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> OmniGraffle has the worst Visio export ever and I kind-of need
>>> to
>>>>>> share
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> files with other people. So yeah I also need Windows for just 1
>>>>> app.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rick Mur
>>>>>>>>>> CCIE3 #21946 (R&S / SP / Storage), JNCIP-M #1352
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Scott Morris <swm_at_emanon.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The SSD is well worth it IMHO. B Power-on is awesome. B Even
>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> full
>>>>>>>>>>> disk encryption, I'm up and logging in within 15 seconds and
>>>>> ready
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> rock in about 30 seconds. B :) B (If disk check needs to be
>>> run
>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> may be
>>>>>>>>>>> 60 seconds, but still much better than normal HDD!)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Omnigraffle as mentioned works well for Visio files. B But
>>> just
>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> easily, VMware Fusion with an XP image should run blazing fast
>>>>>>>>>>> (faster
>>>>>>>>>>> on Mac/VM than on my Lenovo T61!).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But Visio and Quicken are about the only things that I rely on
>>>>>>>>>>> Windoze
>>>>>>>>>>> for any longer. B Other than the occasional #$*&#ing web site
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> requires Internet Exploder.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I own the 17" and love it. B Even though large, it's still
>>> quite
>>>>>>>>>>> light.
>>>>>>>>>>> But with the new versions of things, the 15" MBP or 15" Aire
>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> just as good in most instances.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sitting across from someone running the Aire with SSD and
>>>>>> swears
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> does everything he needs!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Pricey yes, but definitely worth it IMHO!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
>>> Provider)
>>>>>>>>>>> #4713,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> swm_at_emanon.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Power corrupts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/26/11 4:54 AM, Jeferson Guardia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> wow this topic raised SO many good opinions and advices.. Im
>>>>>>>>>>>> definetly
>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>> for a mac.. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, do you guys think is worth adding an extra 1200 USD for
>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> 500GB SSD ? My friend told me its just AWESOME.. I think
>>> I`ll
>>>>> get
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> 15inch
>>>>>>>>>>>> i7 8gb with that 500gb SSD.. is gonna be a little bit
>>> expensive
>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> nice machine..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks everyone for jumping in :) fun times!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2011/6/25 Carl Gosselin <carl.gosselin_at_altizone.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I own the 17" MacBook Pro, being a consultant I found it
>>> gave
>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>>>>>> package as a mobile office and I don't think it's heavy to
>>>>> carry
>>>>>>>>>> around.
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> do appreciate the aluminum casing for durability and
>>> style!! I
>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>> Capsule at home for wireless backups... Other then that I
>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>> iTerm
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> VMware fusion for Visio and other Windows app. I did run
>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> Parallel that pushed me towards fusion but that 3 years
>>> ago...
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> paid
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the 8GB RAM and 500GB SSD and it was worth it!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would never go back now that I went Mac!!
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Carl
>>>>>>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ==============================
>>>>>>>>>>>> Carl Gosselin CCIE R&S Voice #15228
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2011-06-25, at 20:53, Alexei Monastyrnyi <
>>>>>> alexeim73_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My wife has a 13" one, the only downside is no anti-glare
>>>>>> screen
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> this screen size. VMWare Fusion is good, although they say
>>>>>>>>>> Parallelsis
>>>>>>>>>>>> 20% faster. And you may find them quite warm siting on
>>> your
>>>>> lap
>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>> they are running. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>> A.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/26/2011 6:53 AM, Jeferson Guardia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry.. This is Totally OT .. I know that..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm a network eng.. Working a lot on pre-sales (visio
>>> diags
>>>>>> etc)
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> lots of routing voice etc..
>>>>>>>>>>>> I wanna get rid of my Dell and get a mac pro for work and
>>>>>> fun..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one should I get .. The 13.3 , 15 or 17? I don't
>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>>>>> very heavy because I move a lot.. So I don't think of
>>> getting
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> 17
>>>>>>>>>>> inch..
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any recommendations from Mac users working on networks and
>>>>>> stuff??
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> B ............................
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeferson Guardia
>>>>>>>>>>>> CCIE #28157
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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