From: Chuck Church (cchurch@MAGNACOM.com)
Date: Fri Sep 27 2002 - 17:03:14 GMT-3
Scot,
Couldn't agree with you more. And I thought preparing for the lab
itself was challenging. You've got two NDA's to contend with :) Best of
luck in the coming months/weeks/days???
Chuck Church
CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE
Sr. Network Engineer
Magnacom Technologies
140 N. Rt. 303
Valley Cottage, NY 10989
845-267-4000
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Wilson Scot Capt AFCA/GCF
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 2:54 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: MS-CCIE
Here is the reason why we have network engineers w/ CCIE and network
managers with no real hands-on and troubleshooting ability. Let's face it,
we are techy geeks who care more about OSPF then about how a company earns
money. I got a war and a CCIE lab to prepare for, lets keep it real...
technical.
Scot
-----Original Message-----
From: elping [mailto:elpingu@acedsl.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:58 PM
To: certstudy
Cc: rich; albert_lu@optushome.com.au; 'Meyer, J. (Johan)'; 'Tim Ross';
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: MS-CCIE
my thoughs ..
cisco does make a profit..
all the racks and equipment is paid for ......they are tasting the gravy now
certstudy wrote:
> you guys think Cisco actually makes a profit from any of the fees it
charges
> for any of the certs. do some math. there are probably a few dozen
people
> employed by the ccie program--half of them ccie level people. then there
is
> equipment (pc's, racks, cabling). whatever cisco charges them for their
> space on cco, their rent, etc. etc.
>
> at one time i thought that they were making money off the fees but do the
> math. anyway, the real profits from the certifications are by having a
well
> trained and prepared support infrastructure.
>
> anybody try to get a question answered by linksys or d-link lately. too
> small? how about avaya, expanets or lucent??
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rich" <rich@pixguru.com>
> To: <albert_lu@optushome.com.au>; "'Meyer, J. (Johan)'"
> <JohanMe@nedcor.com>; "'Tim Ross'" <ross2k@pclv.com>;
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:53 AM
> Subject: Re: MS-CCIE
>
> > Have you seen their lab? The one in San Jose doubles as a storage
> closet..
> > It's well organized, but NOT data center like at all..
> >
> > 10 people a day at San Jose
> > That's $12,500 a day. Not bad for one proctor and their own assets.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Albert Lu" <albert_lu@optushome.com.au>
> > To: "'Meyer, J. (Johan)'" <JohanMe@nedcor.com>; "'Tim Ross'"
> > <ross2k@pclv.com>; "'rich'" <rich@pixguru.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 4:14 AM
> > Subject: RE: MS-CCIE
> >
> >
> > > Actually from what I was told by a proctor, cisco doesn't really make
> that
> > > much money from CCIE lab exams. Since they have to pretty much have a
> mini
> > > 24x7 data centre for the lab with raised floors, ups, air
conditioning,
> > > power, rent, also salaries for proctors, plus not all labs are always
> > booked
> > > out. I've always thought that cisco would be making a killing with the
> lab
> > > exams, but having worked in a datacentre in my past life I could
imagine
> > how
> > > all those costs could really add up.
> > >
> > > Albert Lu
> > > CCIE #8705
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > > Meyer, J. (Johan)
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:18 PM
> > > To: 'Tim Ross'; rich; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: MS-CCIE
> > >
> > >
> > > Lets look at the BIG Picture!!
> > >
> > > Cisco is a Successful aggresive Bussiness so I dont think they will
> limit
> > > this certification.
> > > It brings in a span of money!
> > > That is why it was changed from a 2 day to a 1 day LAB as before when
> they
> > > could schedule
> > > max 2 labs a week they can now have 6 .Thats 3 times the revenue than
> > > before!!
> > > What succesful Bussiness man would turn that down!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Johan
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Tim Ross [mailto:ross2k@pclv.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 8:40 AM
> > > To: rich; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: MS-CCIE
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm not sure I get the point either. In your post you said you have
> > > experience, and got in the business for the money, yet you did not
> become
> > a
> > > CCIE when you could make a lot of money by being a CCIE. Now that the
> job
> > > market is not so good for CCIE's you want to become a CCIE. Also,
> please
> > do
> > > not start limiting the number of CCIEs per country until after I pass.
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Happy studying,
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "rich" <rich@pixguru.com>
> > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:43 PM
> > > Subject: Re: MS-CCIE
> > >
> > >
> > > > Could you possibly miss the point any more?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Tom Larus" <tlarus@cox.net>
> > > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:54 AM
> > > > Subject: MS-CCIE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > If the CCIE is not worth much these days, and you are in it
> primarily
> > > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > money, and you already have a good job, and respect, and know so
> much
> > > more
> > > > > than those "lab rat" CCIEs, just stop pursuing the CCIE.
> > > > >
> > > > > You don't need it.
> > > > >
> > > > > You should stand pat on your experience and be comfortable in
> knowing
> > > that
> > > > > years of experience will always trump demonstrated intelligence.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "rich" <rich@pixguru.com>
> > > > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:04 PM
> > > > > Subject: MS-CCIE
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > A couple of years ago, at the height of the dot com era, a CCIE
in
> > my
> > > > area
> > > > > > could easily pull in 150k. Did I start down this road for the
> > money?
> > > > > Hell
> > > > > > yes. I already had field experience, a good job, seniority,
> > respect,
> > > > and
> > > > > all
> > > > > > that stuff that makes work fun. Besides, CCIE would be a
> challenge.
> > > > But
> > > > > a
> > > > > > LOT has changed in the past couple of years. Bad economy.
Fewer
> > > jobs.
> > > > > > Lowered salaries. And apparently a butt load of CCIE's! I mean
> > wow!
> > > > And
> > > > > to
> > > > > > hear that many of them are just lab ccie's really brings the
8000+
> > > > CCIE's
> > > > > into
> > > > > > a different light. It brings my own efforts into the same
light.
> > It
> > > > > reminds
> > > > > > me of what happened to Novell certifications... I had just
gotten
> my
> > > CNE
> > > > > when
> > > > > > I heard the term 'paper CNE' about a guy at the same company who
> > > carried
> > > > > cue
> > > > > > cards around to customers with commands written on them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I haven't gotten my ccie yet but I'm hoping to. My chances
would
> > > > probably
> > > > > be
> > > > > > greatly enhanced by going to a boot-camp, but I feel that would
> just
> > > add
> > > > > to
> > > > > > the problem. Maybe limiting the number of active CCIE's in a
> > country
> > > > > would
> > > > > > keep the certification from getting too bloated. Or maybe just
> stop
> > > the
> > > > > > certification process now or at a fixed number. Or better yet,
> > allow
> > > no
> > > > > more
> > > > > > than 1000 a year (total) to be certified. Candidate selection
> > process
> > > > > could
> > > > > > be a weighted drawing (increased chances every year).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not trying to criticize anyone's efforts, but rather express
> the
> > > > > results
> > > > > > of those efforts. It's kind of liking moving into a new, quiet,
> > > > expensive
> > > > > > neighborhood. It's great until everyone else moves in, and
> suddenly
> > > > that
> > > > > > expensive house isn't worth what you paid for it.
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